CompuServe Thread

Phone/Modem Switch

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#47955From: Alan RussellFeb 2, 1992 6:59 PM
I want to run a BBS, but I hate the phone company. I was looking at the switchs that listen for a modem carrier, and then switch the phone call to the modem. Do they work? Do they work with all modem carriers (incl. V32/V32bis/HST)? Or is their just one inital carrier tone for these modems?? Alan Russell
#47986From: Don Curtis/SYSOPFeb 3, 1992 1:01 AM
Alan, The answering modem sends out the tone at first…not the originating modem. Not sure how faxes handle it….but for communications work (BBS's) I don't believe and auto-switch would work. Don
#48409From: John WulffFeb 6, 1992 9:08 AM
Some fax machines send out "CalliNG" or CNG signals while waiting for a response from the "called" number. Most voice/fax switches will recognize this signal and route to the fax device. If the "calling" fax machine does not emit CNG signals then the fax switch must have some type of fallback procedure to route to the fax. This is usually done with a time interval or a touch tone code from the "calling" device. Modems however, muck up the procedure since they are very much like fax devices and not different enough to be sensed by a voice/fax/modem switch, which to my knowledge is the only type of switch that will help you – ie., I am not aware of any voice/modem switches. I use an ASAP TF 555 switch with a voice line and Telephone Answering device or TAD, a Fax machine, and a computer modem connected through it. If someone calls my number and they are using a fax machine with CNG signals, then the call will be routed to the fax. If the fax machine does not emit these signals, then my TAD will pick up the line and give a message outlining how to access the fax machine with touch tone, or to leave a message. I also have the system configured to connect to the fax machine after the TAD has done its thing so the caller can just hang on in order to send a fax. The switch will only recognize a "calling" modem if the modem was dialed in REVERSE mode, ie, it was dialed in ANSWER mode instead of ORIGINATE mode. This is outlined in your modem docs and involves appending an 'R' to the end of your dial string, eg, "ATDT 555-1212R". Then the switch will automatically route to the computer when sensing this call since the "calling" modem, not the "called" modem will start emiting tones. The only kicker to this is that the "called" modem, in this case your BBS must be able to ANSWER in REVERSE mode also, ie., pick up the phone in ORIGINATE mode instead of the default ANSWER mode. At this time this parameter can only be changed on the HAYES Ultra and Optima modems. The other option would be to have your callers append the touch [ MORE ]
#48410From: John WulffFeb 6, 1992 9:09 AM
[ continuation ] tone codes to switch to the computer modem. Let's say your code was 25 then the callers would use a dial string of "ATDT 555-1212,25,25,25". The commas are timed pauses and the repeating of the 25 is to make sure the switch gets the code. In my opinion, either of these options make unreasonable demands on your callers since the information necessary to make the connection may not be properly disseminated. You may hate the phone company, but it you want to "modem around" there are not too many options available to you. A second non-published line on your current phone account is cheaper than a totally separate line account, and will keep your voice line clear for calls. -John-
#48489From: Alan RussellFeb 6, 1992 8:27 PM
Thank you for your thoughful reply. I guess I will have to wait to have my bbs.. Alan Russell
#48781From: William CageFeb 9, 1992 8:43 AM
Another option is the special ring service (called RingMaster in my area) that is offered by the phone company. What this allows you to do is have more than one telephone number attached to a single line with each number having a distinctive ring. I have already seen some shareware on the PC side that will allow you to use your PC to screen out which calls are data calls and which are voice calls using the appropriate ring sequence. If you were using a FAX modem then you would be all set. RingMaster is an added telephone charge, but it is much less than another line. Bill – via Whap!
#48784From: John WulffFeb 9, 1992 10:18 AM
Absolutely and an option that I had not thought of. -John-
#48804From: John PendergrassFeb 9, 1992 1:46 PM
Bill, this 'RingMaster' you're talking about…. does it allow a couple (2-4) calls at ONCE, or can only one line be used at a time? ie. If I wanted to set up a 2line BBS, could it be used in leiu of a 2nd phone line? Thanks…. –jp–seattle–
#48815From: Steve AhlstromFeb 9, 1992 3:51 PM
John, No, it doesn't allow multiple calls at once. All it does is have different phone numbers assigned to the same line. Each phone number causes it's own distinctive ring (much like the old party line system — my calls are 2 long rings, yours is 1 long 1 short, someone else's is 2 shorts, etc.). -sja
#48830From: John PendergrassFeb 9, 1992 7:21 PM
Oh well. Was just looking for a cheaper way to have two independent lines. Thanks. –jp–seattle–
#48989From: John WulffFeb 11, 1992 8:15 AM
Other than stealing service, I'm afraid that the "Baby Bell" in your area has "got you by the punch block" on separate lines.
#49231From: William CageFeb 13, 1992 5:50 PM
It only allows one call at a time. It really doesn't give you a second line, it only provides information (via a distinctive ring) on which number was used to access this line. But, if you simply want to set up a BBS for a very limited number of people then it might be acceptable. Bill – via Whap!
#49238From: John PendergrassFeb 13, 1992 7:46 PM
Thanks. The application I have in mind would require -2- phone lines, it sounds like. Oh well. 2nd lines aren't soo much 🙁 –jp–seattle–
#48814From: Steve AhlstromFeb 9, 1992 3:51 PM
Bill, There is a similar phone company feature in my area, altho it's called something other than Ring Master. What I'd like is a hardware box that will determine what the ring sequence is then route the call to fax, computer or phone/answering machine. -sja
#48827From: Jonathan HirschmanFeb 9, 1992 6:20 PM
Steve– I wish you had posted your message a couple of days earlier…I was at the local computer fair (where PC clones of dubious origin go for unheard of prices – loaded 486s for $1700-1800…saw many a face from the local Amiga group, turning coats…:( ) and I saw the very item you are looking for. Of course, at the time, it drew nothing more than a ho-hum from me, and I did not take down any details. But, the device does exist…i.e., something that will be able to distinguish different ring patterns from Ringmaster-like setups. Jonathan – via Whap!
#48981From: Kelly JordanFeb 11, 1992 7:00 AM
Heath makes a box that understands the special rings. See my message in Amiga Hardware – so I got the wrong section when I posted the message! The box cost $150US.
#49232From: William CageFeb 13, 1992 5:50 PM
The software that I have seen on the IBM side will allow you to use your modem to screen calls via the ring service to your computer or telephone. How it works is you "train" the software by having someone dial the number that should access your computer and let it ring. The software then records the sequence of rings that signify a "data" call. The modem will then answer only when this particular ring sequence is encountered, otherwise it wont answer and that will allow you to pick up a phone or have an answering machine pick up. If you were using a FAX modem then your modem could handle FAXs or BBS type calls and allow voice calls to be handled normally. So it accomplishes exactly what you desire without having to purchase an external box. I have a copy of the IBM shareware version (its semi-crippled) somewhere. I will find it and give you the name so you can read over it. I'm certain that with the new FAX boards coming out, someone will write a similar package for the Amiga. Bill – via Whap!
#48717From: Bob Dunlap IIFeb 8, 1992 10:17 PM
well, i've called this one bbs that was hooked up to that kind of setup. here's how it works: when you call, it picks up and says "If you would like to reach the phone, say 'TELEPHONE' at the beep. If you'd like to access the fax machine, stay on the line." (they used to run a fax machine on that line) Then it beeps and a few seconds later, you hear the bbs' modem beep. so there is such a thing out there. i just do not know what it's called… 🙂 sorry. bob – via Whap!