AmiLink
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I'm looking for a review from anyone using the AmiLink/VT software and
hardware. I'm particularly interested in hearing from someone using the
Video Toaster system with AmiLink in an A/B roll system.
I'm currently using Mac and PC platforms for desktop video production and
want the center on one platform (Amiga). Any comment??
Thanks–
Mark
Mark, I have looked at Amilink/VT with great interest and it's a good
system except for the cost of using those expensive "black boxes" needed to
control EACH vtr in the system. You might want to contact Sundance systems,
they have a mac based AB roll system that supports many of today's machines
without having to use the "black box" approach, saves big bucks, and
controls Toaster too.
Frank –
Thanks for the info. I've looked at the Sundance system and come to the
same conclusion. The only problem is adding yet another platform (Mac).
Thanks again for the input.
-Mark
I have been using AMILINK/VT for appox 6 months now and truly love it.
It does everything that any editor on the market does…and does it
well. I am using it in a 3/4SP A/B roll environment. Any questions?
Have you looked into one of those VLAN boxes yet? I really think someone
is going to come out with the same thing infinitely cheaper. I cant
IMAGINE what would cause those boxes to be so expensive except that
VideoMedia is the sole source.
At the price they charge for the box (same as RGB – no mailorder or
"street" price available) the software protion of an A/B roll with VT
add-on is about $2899. This is only $100 – $200 less than a good hardware
A/B roll controller. So, what it boils down to is the additional $3345
covers a RS 322 to 422 converter I believe this is a "one wire" difference
between balanced and unbalance ground for the data lines, or some such –
but software could not tell one from the other) and a little bus processor
at each deck that listens to all the transmissions but only responds to
those with a header containing its address. A simple master/slave bus
where the slave is a listen and don't speak until spoken to box.
Now the problem I have with this is that Videomania is making, I'd guess,
on each $1115 VLan module (serial) about a $1000 profit after parts,
assembly and testing. Was their R & D that expensive? I hope not – the
technology aint that esoteric.
Another view is that the $2,000 – $6,000 difference between an AmiLink
setup and a hardware controller is essentially for EDL management
functions. Is that feature worth that much money? I only ask the question
becuase I don't know. I like the concept of AmiLink is many respects, but
on a tight budget it is tough to justify something that costs almost as
much or more (in the case of parallel) than two A/B Roll controllers but
provides only minimally more functionality than one. It seems to be worth
it only at the point of "full tricked out" operations with 32 units that
include scanner, switchers, computers, decks, SEGs, etc. But for the basic
3 deck A/B roll…??? wmc
Wayne, just thought I'd hop in here while you were on one of my favorite
subjects; Vlan's overpricing. You might be interested to know that RGB
makes a good chunk of the profit on the Vlans they sell, but you are right
in that generally speaking Vlans need to have some competition, look for
Nucleas (makers of personal SFC) to have something in the next 90 days.
Another important bit of info, the EDLP that they originally sold with the
system was written by Mike Berro, I understand they never came to a
satisfactory financial arrangement, essentially Mike didn't make the money
he thought he would, and RGB came up with another version of the software,
the point here is that if you want EDLP on the Amiga, without Amilink, it's
available from Mike directly. I looked long and hard at computer based edit
control, if I had the oppourtunity to buy today I would probably go with
the Sundance Systems version even though it is mac based. I decided last
year to go with Paltex Abner II AB roll, it's only Parallel but it does
SMPTE, and the "hands on" knob and button approach gratifies the need to be
"physical" with the system. My projects are basic AB roll with no real need
for list management, the main thing I need it to do is work consistantly
under pressure, something my Amiga sometimes refuses to do, one of the
reasons I have installed a second Amiga downstream from Toaster is to be a
back up in case my main box crashes so bad it needs to go into the shop.
It's primary duty now is a dedicated CG station. Gee, I DO go on…
Frank
Frank, Can you give any details about the Sundance system? Costs ,
capabilities etc. Regards, dan
The Sundance system can be configured in several different ways depending
on what type of machines you are controlling (parallel only machines
require extra hardware), you would be better off getting the info from the
horses mouth, here's the horses phone number is 214-869-1002. The full
blown AB roll system retails for $3995, the cuts version of the system is
$1991, and list management retails for $675 and can be used by either
configuration. When you call, ask for Rush Beesley (president). He can
answer all your questions better than I.
Frank,
I had talked to Neucleus the other day and got a similar story. I hadn't
really told anyone as I hate to get consumer hopes up and put pressure on
Nucleus that may actually hold the product up. But, like you, I have
reservations about putting all the eggs in the Amiga basket. If the price
was right, I'd chance the Nucleus editor (which I understand will be
initially cuts only and based on a Hydra cable concept).
BTW, I don't mind if you go on. You described the system the guy has from
whom I am purchasing decks. Besides, the only way to learn is to talk to
guys like you (and listen, of course!)
Thanks for the words…
wmc
Let's hope that Nucleus can come to market with an AB roll system that will
also talk to toaster (select specific effects, rates etc.) I will be
watching this development very closely. Keep in touch
Frank
Mark, We not only an Amilink user but since we liked so much we are
also an Amilink Dealer. We are using it with the BVU 3/4 desks,
BetaCam and 1 inch formats. Regards, Dan
Frank
Right But the difference is the cost of a mac. Now you have two
computors the amiga (needed to run the Toaster) and the mac.
Bart