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#15738From: Mark BrewerFeb 6, 1992 9:41 AM
I'm looking for a review from anyone using the AmiLink/VT software and hardware. I'm particularly interested in hearing from someone using the Video Toaster system with AmiLink in an A/B roll system. I'm currently using Mac and PC platforms for desktop video production and want the center on one platform (Amiga). Any comment?? Thanks– Mark
#15766From: Frank VanellaFeb 7, 1992 6:03 PM
Mark, I have looked at Amilink/VT with great interest and it's a good system except for the cost of using those expensive "black boxes" needed to control EACH vtr in the system. You might want to contact Sundance systems, they have a mac based AB roll system that supports many of today's machines without having to use the "black box" approach, saves big bucks, and controls Toaster too.
#15799From: Mark BrewerFeb 9, 1992 8:55 AM
Frank – Thanks for the info. I've looked at the Sundance system and come to the same conclusion. The only problem is adding yet another platform (Mac). Thanks again for the input. -Mark
#16151From: Kip KedershaFeb 18, 1992 4:11 PM
I have been using AMILINK/VT for appox 6 months now and truly love it. It does everything that any editor on the market does…and does it well. I am using it in a 3/4SP A/B roll environment. Any questions?
#16276From: Wayne ColeFeb 20, 1992 2:08 AM
Have you looked into one of those VLAN boxes yet? I really think someone is going to come out with the same thing infinitely cheaper. I cant IMAGINE what would cause those boxes to be so expensive except that VideoMedia is the sole source. At the price they charge for the box (same as RGB – no mailorder or "street" price available) the software protion of an A/B roll with VT add-on is about $2899. This is only $100 – $200 less than a good hardware A/B roll controller. So, what it boils down to is the additional $3345 covers a RS 322 to 422 converter I believe this is a "one wire" difference between balanced and unbalance ground for the data lines, or some such – but software could not tell one from the other) and a little bus processor at each deck that listens to all the transmissions but only responds to those with a header containing its address. A simple master/slave bus where the slave is a listen and don't speak until spoken to box. Now the problem I have with this is that Videomania is making, I'd guess, on each $1115 VLan module (serial) about a $1000 profit after parts, assembly and testing. Was their R & D that expensive? I hope not – the technology aint that esoteric. Another view is that the $2,000 – $6,000 difference between an AmiLink setup and a hardware controller is essentially for EDL management functions. Is that feature worth that much money? I only ask the question becuase I don't know. I like the concept of AmiLink is many respects, but on a tight budget it is tough to justify something that costs almost as much or more (in the case of parallel) than two A/B Roll controllers but provides only minimally more functionality than one. It seems to be worth it only at the point of "full tricked out" operations with 32 units that include scanner, switchers, computers, decks, SEGs, etc. But for the basic 3 deck A/B roll…??? wmc
#16309From: Frank VanellaFeb 20, 1992 5:43 PM
Wayne, just thought I'd hop in here while you were on one of my favorite subjects; Vlan's overpricing. You might be interested to know that RGB makes a good chunk of the profit on the Vlans they sell, but you are right in that generally speaking Vlans need to have some competition, look for Nucleas (makers of personal SFC) to have something in the next 90 days. Another important bit of info, the EDLP that they originally sold with the system was written by Mike Berro, I understand they never came to a satisfactory financial arrangement, essentially Mike didn't make the money he thought he would, and RGB came up with another version of the software, the point here is that if you want EDLP on the Amiga, without Amilink, it's available from Mike directly. I looked long and hard at computer based edit control, if I had the oppourtunity to buy today I would probably go with the Sundance Systems version even though it is mac based. I decided last year to go with Paltex Abner II AB roll, it's only Parallel but it does SMPTE, and the "hands on" knob and button approach gratifies the need to be "physical" with the system. My projects are basic AB roll with no real need for list management, the main thing I need it to do is work consistantly under pressure, something my Amiga sometimes refuses to do, one of the reasons I have installed a second Amiga downstream from Toaster is to be a back up in case my main box crashes so bad it needs to go into the shop. It's primary duty now is a dedicated CG station. Gee, I DO go on… Frank
#16316From: daniel sternklarFeb 20, 1992 6:10 PM
Frank, Can you give any details about the Sundance system? Costs , capabilities etc. Regards, dan
#16473From: Frank VanellaFeb 22, 1992 10:55 PM
The Sundance system can be configured in several different ways depending on what type of machines you are controlling (parallel only machines require extra hardware), you would be better off getting the info from the horses mouth, here's the horses phone number is 214-869-1002. The full blown AB roll system retails for $3995, the cuts version of the system is $1991, and list management retails for $675 and can be used by either configuration. When you call, ask for Rush Beesley (president). He can answer all your questions better than I.
#16380From: Wayne ColeFeb 21, 1992 3:44 AM
Frank, I had talked to Neucleus the other day and got a similar story. I hadn't really told anyone as I hate to get consumer hopes up and put pressure on Nucleus that may actually hold the product up. But, like you, I have reservations about putting all the eggs in the Amiga basket. If the price was right, I'd chance the Nucleus editor (which I understand will be initially cuts only and based on a Hydra cable concept). BTW, I don't mind if you go on. You described the system the guy has from whom I am purchasing decks. Besides, the only way to learn is to talk to guys like you (and listen, of course!) Thanks for the words… wmc
#16474From: Frank VanellaFeb 22, 1992 10:55 PM
Let's hope that Nucleus can come to market with an AB roll system that will also talk to toaster (select specific effects, rates etc.) I will be watching this development very closely. Keep in touch Frank
#16153From: daniel sternklarFeb 18, 1992 4:15 PM
Mark, We not only an Amilink user but since we liked so much we are also an Amilink Dealer. We are using it with the BVU 3/4 desks, BetaCam and 1 inch formats. Regards, Dan
#16172From: BART LOIACONOFeb 18, 1992 9:45 PM
Frank Right But the difference is the cost of a mac. Now you have two computors the amiga (needed to run the Toaster) and the mac. Bart