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#Matrox MGA board?

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#81753From: Conrad StolzeFeb 6, 1994 10:44 PM
John, >> The MGA II series is around $500, and is super fast but lacks 3D hardware. << YES, by stripping the overhead of the Gouraud shading, etc. they were able to "squeeze" a few million more WINMarks from them. What this means to the real world I don't know. Another benefit of the new MGAII line is that the 2+ model can be purchased with 2MB VRAM and upgraded to 4MB later (user installable). I agree that the MGAII line is THE choice for anyone that spends alot of time at high color depths in Windows. >> There is a PRO model with more memory, but I think it's only for greater 24bit resolution in Windows. << The PRO version (4.5Mb VRAM and optional 4Mb DRAM Z-Buffer) is specifically designed for 24-BIT resolutions, and can do 24-Bit at 1280 x 1024! Pushing may way in after a couple days off, Chuck
#81761From: Gus GrubbaFeb 7, 1994 12:21 AM
Is there a PCI board that will do 1280x1024x24? I've been using the Viper, which is a nice board, but the limitation to 8 bits in 1280×1024 sucks.
#81771From: John TissavaryFeb 7, 1994 12:55 AM
If Matrox doesn't have one out now, I'm sure they will soon. They had planned to release all their MGA cards in PCI form, and that would include the MGA Impression Pro. I can do 1280×1024 at 16bits (as can the MGA II), but that's not good enough anymore <g>. With my little 15" monitor 1280 gets a little out of hand, though. I've been meaning to get a bigger monitor, but I'm going to wait untill I get a DEC XL, because you said the DEC monitor was nicer than your NEC… do you still like it that much? John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#81789From: Gus GrubbaFeb 7, 1994 2:56 AM
>> DEC monitor was nicer than your NEC… do you still like it that >> much? Yes I do. It's a great monitor and I only use it in 1280×1024. The image is by far sharper than my 21" NEC even though is just a 16" monitor. When I ordered it I chose the 16" thinking I would just put my NEC and have the 16" as a second monitor for my older 486. It turned out I did the other way around. I have read in PC Magazine that Matrox came out with a PCI version of its MGA cards but I'm a bit scared of these "foreign" companies. I feel you're somewhat left in a limbo when it comes to support. Not that you would be better off otherwise but if I can avoid it… You yourself have complained about lack of drivers and problems like that. I suffered enough with that FAST board to learn that the attitude toward "customers" is quite different outside this country. It feels like I'm doing them a favor when I buy their stuff and they will give support only if they feel like working that "week". I need a PCI board capable of doing 1280x1024x24 in Windows, drivers for 3D Studio, drivers for NT, VESA drivers for DOS and able to display 132×43 in DOS text mode. If such a thing exist I will send the money tomorrow for it…
#81867From: Michael E BartlettFeb 7, 1994 12:30 PM
It might be fun for you to give Super Mac a call. I recently talked to a tech support guy there and although he couldn't say anything about PCI but he left me with the feeling that we could expect something soon. What is curious about Super Mac is that although they probably have the best Windows drivers they have ignored the 1280×1024 resolution, opting for some strange two page display size of 1152×870 but 24bit. Check the Feb 94 BYTE. The thing about the Spectrum line is that it doesn't do VGA. You have to use a separate card for VGA and connect it with a feature connector. At least these folks speak english and not Canadian. <g> I see that Zenon is advertising PCI bus systems with the PCI Matrox 64-bit MGA-II with 2Mb (only 2Mb sounds a little suspect) board in them, Pentium for $3275. Might be worth talking to them. Tech support 800 229-7898. Michael B.
#81876From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 7, 1994 1:08 PM
Miachael: The 1152×870 resolution corresponds to a 72 dpi (I think) screen resolution – which seems to be optimal for publishing. Evan
#81875From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 7, 1994 1:08 PM
The DEC monitor is actually a Taxan. They are no longer imported under the Taxan name, but I agree – great monitor. I have one on my desk. Actually, the NEC 6FGP can be as sharp as the Taxan – provided you get a good unit (they vary somehwat), and run it at 1600×1200 pixels. Evan
#81979From: Gus GrubbaFeb 7, 1994 7:46 PM
>> Actually, the NEC 6FGP can be as sharp as the Taxan – provided you >> get a good unit (they vary somehwat), and run it at 1600×1200 pixels. Mine doesn't have the "P". It's just 6FG. The image seems dimmer and it's almost impossible to get the edges right. They always converge (barrel) and it looks pretty bad. I called NEC (a long while ago) and they said I could send it over for "adjusting". The fact it weights more than a grand piano (I would have to pay freight and insurance round trip) compounded with not having a monitor for a week or so made be leave it alone for the time being… Simple procrastination. I have a 5D, a 4D a a couple of 3D's. They all work great. Just this big white elephant isn't that great.
#82155From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 8, 1994 3:03 AM
I don't have the monitor in front of me, but to adjust the barrel: There are two diamond-shaped arrays of buttons on the front of the monitor. Press the top button on the right array while holding down the degauss button. The LED light at the left will begin to blink. Now, the bottom buttons on either diamon shaped array will control barrel/pincushion. Once you get it set right, while holding the degauss button, press either the right or top (I forget which) button on the right diamond array, and the LED will stop blinking. Regards the image brightness, do you have a monitor lens for the unit? It will increase contrast markedly. (If you don't have one, I have a spare I'd be willing to barter.) BTW – the "P" unit has the antiglare built in. Evan
#82161From: Gus GrubbaFeb 8, 1994 5:31 AM
Evan, He, he, he… Like I haven't tried everything already… <g> I don't remember messing around with the degauss button however, but I might have as I remember dealing with barrel/pincushion controls. To better describe it, it seemed like I was playing with a spline control trying to make it straight. Problem was it went from 30 to -30 and never "parked" close to 0 (degrees). As it is, it's "almost" perfect. It only shows when in Windows as you have this bright white screen with the [void] black border. It somewhat matches as my entire Windows screen looks something like a fat cat or an 'ole beer belly. Both quite related to Windoze… <g> The NEC guy said something about the "coil" being misaligned. Don't ask me. I might, one of these days, send it over. In fact, if I wait long enough, I might get something better. The last (and only) time I sent a monitor back to NEC (a Multisync I) they sent me a brand new 3D back. Regarding the monitor lens, yes I have it. Thanks for the offer. NEC was giving it away when I got this thing (they started charging right after that). Note that this isn't really bad, it's just that when compared with this Digital, the Digital looks better. I was very happy with the 6FG 'till I saw this guy.
#82236From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 8, 1994 12:22 PM
Sounds like your NEC is broken. Evan
#82132From: Conrad StolzeFeb 8, 1994 1:50 AM
Evan, As the one that has seen most of the large format monitors, where would you put the IDEK 8621 in this spectrum? We have a demo model here on a 3MB MGA board with 1600 x 1200 support and I can't imagine anything getting much better! This thing is CRISP! Chuck
#82237From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 8, 1994 12:22 PM
Chuck: The IDEK Vision Master MF-8621 is one of the nicest monitors I've ever reviewed. I have its baby brother (the 8521) on one of my home computers. Evan
#82455From: Conrad StolzeFeb 9, 1994 12:18 AM
Evan, I have an 8421 and 8621 at work and was wondering how the 8521 compares to the 8621. These things are all so close in price and features, sometimes it's a toss-up. Wonderful digital controls across the board though! Chuck
#82466From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Feb 9, 1994 1:41 AM
Chuck: I had an 8621, but had to send it back. The 8521 has the same specs, but uses a 0.28mm pitch tube instead of a 0.26mm pitch tube. Evan
#82115From: John TissavaryFeb 8, 1994 1:40 AM
I have found Matrox's support to be more than excellent. When I was having driver problems with R2 I called them and they re-worked the drivers, called me on the phone the minute they were ready (32 hours), and uploaded them on their BBS for me. The Windows driver is the best I've ever used. Now that the MGA will be supported by Vibrant, the 3DS R3 driver issue is more or less moot, but it won't be ready for a couple more weeks, I guess. I really, really, really recommend the Matrox MGA's. I think they're the best cards out there, and are faster with greater 24bit resolution than the SuperMac. SuperMac is really dedicated to DTP that I don't think they would be as competetive in other areas. I don't think their cards are supported by Vibrant, but don't know for sure. There are NT driver for the MGA series. I think you should give Kim Pallister a call up at Matrox, and tell him about your hardware needs. They are very responsive. John Tissavary (La Luna cie)
#82156From: Gus GrubbaFeb 8, 1994 3:26 AM
Do they [Matrox] have a forum here? Which model would give me 1280x1024x24? (That's almost 4meg worth of video memory). Who carries it?
#82315From: Dave Byrnes [AEC TM]Feb 8, 1994 4:45 PM
Gus – PMFJI… Matrox's "Forum" is Section 16 of the Graphics B Vendor Forum (GO GRAPHBVEN). Dave
#82335From: Pavel KorenskyFeb 8, 1994 5:47 PM
>Do they [Matrox] have a forum here? Which model would give me 1280x1024x24? >(That's almost 4meg worth of video memory). Who carries it? Yes, they have forum here (CIS:MATROX). Today I received two Matrox Impresison PRO cards (1280x1024x24, 4.5MB VRAM, 4MB RAM as Z-buffer for realtime rendering, VL bus version). Two hours ago, I finished the installation of this card to my machine. This card is really GREAT !!! I tried Windows (Photoshop, Pstyler) and ACAD. The performance is excellent and the whole system seems stable. The (near) realtime shading and rotations in ACAD are fantastic. If you want to buy, write to Chuck Mies. I received these cards from him. Bye PavelK BTW, the fact that I have this card is the result of John's advice. Thank you JohnT
#82451From: Conrad StolzeFeb 9, 1994 12:18 AM
Pavel, Glad to see that they made it, Federal Express had me a little scared for a while though. What we forgot about on the 3-Day delivery schedule from me to you is the 1/2 day time zone difference, and the fact that because of this the first day doesn't count! I may be easily amused, but I still can't believe that our economy has become so global in nature that I can have these card's from Kansas to the Czech Republic in three (opps, FOUR <BG>) days. Thank you Pavel, and enjoy the video cards! Chuck
#82452From: Conrad StolzeFeb 9, 1994 12:18 AM
Gus, >> Which model would give me 1280x1024x24? (That's almost 4meg worth of video memory). Who carries it?) For the PCI Bus you will have one option, the MGAII 4MB version. This is the model I have on order and can't get for a couple of weeks. Who knows, maybe the Vibrant drivers will be ready by then! Retail on the board has been reduced to $999.00. The MGAII series do not support any of the 3D Shading bells and whistles, but I know that these are not a concern for you. Yes, it has 4MB VRAM for 1280x1024x24 support! Chuck
#82798From: Peter KrokoFeb 10, 1994 9:44 AM
Chuck, <<The MGAII series do not support any of the 3D Shading bells and whistles,>> Are the 3d shading B's and W's do anything in 3d Studio? Will they become available? Regards, Peter Kroko
#83564From: Conrad StolzeFeb 13, 1994 10:07 PM
Peter, Sorry for the delay in the response, but I have just returned from a couple days in California. Here's what I know right now… >> Are the 3d shading B's and W's do anything in 3d Studio? << Not at this moment. The ADI Interface in Studio (if I understand it correctly from Gus and Greg) is simply a raster sisplay device, and doesn't allow any "kooks" into the geometry as ACAD does. Therefore the 3D Hardware is pretty useless in 3DS. On the otherhand, Pavel Korensky (a developer from the Czech Republic) and I are currently trying to locate the MGA development libraries so he can give it a shot! >> Will they become available? << Not on the MGAII series. These boards were designed for the ULTIMATE in throughput, and have had this support hardware removed. The only hope for this support will be a PCI version of the original MGA. Hope that helps,
#82131From: Conrad StolzeFeb 8, 1994 1:50 AM
Gus, Yes, and no. When I can get my hands on one (they are OEM only right now!) I will have a 4MB PCI MGA that is "supposed" to do 24-bit at 1280 x 1024. I have seen your list of requirements posted in a later message and will keep you posted as soon I can "see the scar". Chuck
#82162From: Gus GrubbaFeb 8, 1994 5:31 AM
>> I have seen your list of requirements posted in a later message and >> will keep you posted as soon I can "see the scar". Vielen Dank!