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#123072From: Claude J. GoschMay 8, 1988 10:13 AM
I do a lot of dBASE work (including programmming) where I work, and I'd like dbASE for the Amiga so that I could do work at home without going to the Bridgecard. However, as to the lack of similar "professional" products for the Amiga, take a close look at Superbase Professional. Don't confuse it with the personal version, this one has MANY added features including programming and screen formats that beat dBASE buy a mile. Superbase's screen formats allow calculated fields, validation, and PROGRAMMING COMMANDS included in the screen format. With dBASE, I loose all the advantages of the screen format (Pg-Up/Pg-Dn, CTRL-U) when I want to perform validations or calculations. I won't agree that we should forget dBASE for the Amiga, but I do think there is an excellent product already available that many would be happy with if they don't need dBASE compatibility. Claude
#123139From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 4:14 PM
There is a major problem with SuperBase Pro — it's got a dongle. If someone is using it in an office environment (meaning, usually secretaries) how often is it going to get lost, 'put away' but the cleaning crew, knocked in the trash can, whatever? It might have some utility in the home environment, but as a business productivity tool? Not until the dongle is permanently gone.
#123141From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 4:38 PM
But so did PaperClip!
#123142From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 4:39 PM
PaperClip was meant as a home use product. It was never meant or conceived to be a business product.
#123172From: Ben BlishMay 8, 1988 5:40 PM
That's no excuse. <grin>
#123181From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 6:51 PM
I wasn't the publisher — not my call. EA is currently selling the product without the dongle.
#123187From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:57 PM
Actually, EA's trying toS56your name not to sell it at all. We have to hassle them all the way out in CA to get PaperClips these days. And by the way – PaperCLip Atari is the all-time best selling program where I work. I think we've sold 153 of them, or something like that. The next highest was MasterTronic's $9 NINJA game. (not very good company. 🙂 )
#123190From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 7:04 PM
According to the royalty reports, Atari PaperClip is still doing well.
#123202From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 8:45 PM
Good – deserves it!
#123202From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 8:45 PM
Good – deserves it!
#123190From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 7:04 PM
According to the royalty reports, Atari PaperClip is still doing well.
#123187From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:57 PM
Actually, EA's trying toS56your name not to sell it at all. We have to hassle them all the way out in CA to get PaperClips these days. And by the way – PaperCLip Atari is the all-time best selling program where I work. I think we've sold 153 of them, or something like that. The next highest was MasterTronic's $9 NINJA game. (not very good company. 🙂 )
#123181From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 6:51 PM
I wasn't the publisher — not my call. EA is currently selling the product without the dongle.
#123172From: Ben BlishMay 8, 1988 5:40 PM
That's no excuse. <grin>
#123142From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 4:39 PM
PaperClip was meant as a home use product. It was never meant or conceived to be a business product.
#123288From: John DraperMay 9, 1988 3:22 AM
Paperclip did not run on a multitasking machine. What happens when you want to run Suberbase Pro, Designtext, and any other dongle protected program at the same time. In addition, you can ask people here about the number of blown Paula chips from plugging something in to the joyport while powered up. Nope… dongle protection on this machine is an abomination.
#123288From: John DraperMay 9, 1988 3:22 AM
Paperclip did not run on a multitasking machine. What happens when you want to run Suberbase Pro, Designtext, and any other dongle protected program at the same time. In addition, you can ask people here about the number of blown Paula chips from plugging something in to the joyport while powered up. Nope… dongle protection on this machine is an abomination.
#123141From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 4:38 PM
But so did PaperClip!
#123185From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:55 PM
By the way, I was offered a copy of SuperBase Pro with a homemade dongle a few days ago. The dongle's real effective isn't it?? Personally the dongle didn't bother me a very whole lot. BUt if a company has to (heaven forbid) protect a productivity program for the home market, I would prefer manual copy-protection. If you're going to lose your big SuperBase or WordPerfect manual, you're stupid and won't be able to use the program in the first place. I'm not advocating productivity copy-protection, just saying that manual type would be the worst of all the evils.
#123186From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:56 PM
OOPS the "least" of the evils.
#123186From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:56 PM
OOPS the "least" of the evils.
#123188From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 6:58 PM
For serious application software there is only one type of acceptable copy protection — none.
#123188From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 6:58 PM
For serious application software there is only one type of acceptable copy protection — none.
#123185From: Henry ColonnaMay 8, 1988 6:55 PM
By the way, I was offered a copy of SuperBase Pro with a homemade dongle a few days ago. The dongle's real effective isn't it?? Personally the dongle didn't bother me a very whole lot. BUt if a company has to (heaven forbid) protect a productivity program for the home market, I would prefer manual copy-protection. If you're going to lose your big SuperBase or WordPerfect manual, you're stupid and won't be able to use the program in the first place. I'm not advocating productivity copy-protection, just saying that manual type would be the worst of all the evils.
#123234From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIMay 8, 1988 10:36 PM
SuperBase Personal for the Amiga also has a DONGLE. Isn't it IRONIC (or should that be MORONIC) that SuperBase Personal for the IBM types has NO copy protection (user prevention?).
#123234From: Lloyd W. Dull IIIMay 8, 1988 10:36 PM
SuperBase Personal for the Amiga also has a DONGLE. Isn't it IRONIC (or should that be MORONIC) that SuperBase Personal for the IBM types has NO copy protection (user prevention?).
#123800From: Claude J. GoschMay 11, 1988 6:52 PM
I agree that the dongle is a nusance, but I feel the program has so many excellent features that I overlook the dongle. I see it this way, it's better than a copy protected disk like ashton-tate had previously for dBASE and LOTUS still uses. Business users still bought those programs. We use a CADD package at work from Intergraph which runs on an IBM PC and has a dongle on the printer port. It's never been any trouble.
#123852From: Steve AhlstromMay 12, 1988 12:23 AM
If business accept that solution to copy protection there is going to be a great opportunity for 3rd party hardware developers to come out with dongle expansion boxes.
#123852From: Steve AhlstromMay 12, 1988 12:23 AM
If business accept that solution to copy protection there is going to be a great opportunity for 3rd party hardware developers to come out with dongle expansion boxes.
#124084From: John DraperMay 13, 1988 3:05 AM
The IBM PC is also a single tasker, so you don't get dongle competition. -larry
#124270From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMay 13, 1988 10:13 PM
Larry, While MS-DOS is indeed a single tasker, most of the dongles for MS-DOS machines go on the parallel port. A real pain in the well known if you find 2 incompatible dongles, and a real mess if you have more than one in any case….they stick out about 3" from the port, so as you can see, having 2 or 3 gives you a stack on the rear about 6 to 9" long. Don
#124357From: John DraperMay 14, 1988 3:19 AM
Ouch! Sounds like a nightmare on the IBM stuff too. I really am a fanatical anti-dongle person, and will NEVER buy any dongle protected program. -larry
#124357From: John DraperMay 14, 1988 3:19 AM
Ouch! Sounds like a nightmare on the IBM stuff too. I really am a fanatical anti-dongle person, and will NEVER buy any dongle protected program. -larry
#124417From: Jon BryanMay 14, 1988 1:20 PM
Some of them give you a cable a foot long along with the dongle. So you stack them all up on the end of the cable and they don't stick straight out the back where they will be broken off. It still sucks, but it's better than copy protection or key disks.
#124417From: Jon BryanMay 14, 1988 1:20 PM
Some of them give you a cable a foot long along with the dongle. So you stack them all up on the end of the cable and they don't stick straight out the back where they will be broken off. It still sucks, but it's better than copy protection or key disks.
#124270From: Don Curtis/SYSOPMay 13, 1988 10:13 PM
Larry, While MS-DOS is indeed a single tasker, most of the dongles for MS-DOS machines go on the parallel port. A real pain in the well known if you find 2 incompatible dongles, and a real mess if you have more than one in any case….they stick out about 3" from the port, so as you can see, having 2 or 3 gives you a stack on the rear about 6 to 9" long. Don
#124084From: John DraperMay 13, 1988 3:05 AM
The IBM PC is also a single tasker, so you don't get dongle competition. -larry
#123800From: Claude J. GoschMay 11, 1988 6:52 PM
I agree that the dongle is a nusance, but I feel the program has so many excellent features that I overlook the dongle. I see it this way, it's better than a copy protected disk like ashton-tate had previously for dBASE and LOTUS still uses. Business users still bought those programs. We use a CADD package at work from Intergraph which runs on an IBM PC and has a dongle on the printer port. It's never been any trouble.
#123139From: Steve AhlstromMay 8, 1988 4:14 PM
There is a major problem with SuperBase Pro — it's got a dongle. If someone is using it in an office environment (meaning, usually secretaries) how often is it going to get lost, 'put away' but the cleaning crew, knocked in the trash can, whatever? It might have some utility in the home environment, but as a business productivity tool? Not until the dongle is permanently gone.
#123433From: Christopher TolmieMay 9, 1988 10:42 PM
How do you like having the 'dongle' as copy protection on SuperBase Professional? Have any small children ever got a hold of it yet? B) I think for the $ value placed on Superbase Pro you should be able to get a copy -protection-Free copy.
#123518From: Henry ColonnaMay 10, 1988 7:04 AM
They do offer a protection-free copy after you buy it, but I have no idea if it costs, and if so, how much.
#123625From: Christopher TolmieMay 10, 1988 8:46 PM
I had enquired about the program after I received the upgrade info for Personal owners, and all they told me was it had a dongle. I told 'em, "well then you just saved me the $125 for upgrading, 'cause I'll never buy another dongle program." They could have told me about the protec-free version then but did not. That was a couple days ago.
#123631From: Henry ColonnaMay 10, 1988 8:58 PM
You might want to call them – Superbase Pro is good enough to own, if you can get it unprotected.
#123631From: Henry ColonnaMay 10, 1988 8:58 PM
You might want to call them – Superbase Pro is good enough to own, if you can get it unprotected.
#123738From: Ben BlishMay 11, 1988 12:04 PM
dongle free? Superbase pro? Or have I jumped off the deep end here? <running off to read thread>
#123769From: Henry ColonnaMay 11, 1988 4:33 PM
My superbase update does mention a uncopy protected version of SuperBase Pro (but mentions no specifics on how to get it).
#123769From: Henry ColonnaMay 11, 1988 4:33 PM
My superbase update does mention a uncopy protected version of SuperBase Pro (but mentions no specifics on how to get it).
#123811From: Christopher TolmieMay 11, 1988 8:27 PM
Ben, When I called 'em they said nothing about a 'dongle-free' version to me. So I thanked them for saving me the update fee. Can you give me the Ph.# of C ltd?
#123870From: Ben BlishMay 12, 1988 2:50 AM
316-267-3807 and thanks for the info; –Ben–
#123870From: Ben BlishMay 12, 1988 2:50 AM
316-267-3807 and thanks for the info; –Ben–
#123811From: Christopher TolmieMay 11, 1988 8:27 PM
Ben, When I called 'em they said nothing about a 'dongle-free' version to me. So I thanked them for saving me the update fee. Can you give me the Ph.# of C ltd?
#123738From: Ben BlishMay 11, 1988 12:04 PM
dongle free? Superbase pro? Or have I jumped off the deep end here? <running off to read thread>
#123625From: Christopher TolmieMay 10, 1988 8:46 PM
I had enquired about the program after I received the upgrade info for Personal owners, and all they told me was it had a dongle. I told 'em, "well then you just saved me the $125 for upgrading, 'cause I'll never buy another dongle program." They could have told me about the protec-free version then but did not. That was a couple days ago.
#123518From: Henry ColonnaMay 10, 1988 7:04 AM
They do offer a protection-free copy after you buy it, but I have no idea if it costs, and if so, how much.
#123801From: Claude J. GoschMay 11, 1988 6:58 PM
No problems (no small children either). Actually, I feel more at ease with the dongle than I do with disk based copy protection. Disks are easier to damage. I'd prefer no protection, but I can put up with the dongle.
#123812From: Christopher TolmieMay 11, 1988 8:30 PM
I'm not worried about small children, it's Spike my doberman. His head reaches above the CPU of my 2000 and he can easily swallow a dongle or two. Besides if I need a dongle to use your program, I don't use the program, there will be others and I've been patient. God knows I've been patient, my first Ami being bought Oct '85.
#123812From: Christopher TolmieMay 11, 1988 8:30 PM
I'm not worried about small children, it's Spike my doberman. His head reaches above the CPU of my 2000 and he can easily swallow a dongle or two. Besides if I need a dongle to use your program, I don't use the program, there will be others and I've been patient. God knows I've been patient, my first Ami being bought Oct '85.
#123801From: Claude J. GoschMay 11, 1988 6:58 PM
No problems (no small children either). Actually, I feel more at ease with the dongle than I do with disk based copy protection. Disks are easier to damage. I'd prefer no protection, but I can put up with the dongle.
#123433From: Christopher TolmieMay 9, 1988 10:42 PM
How do you like having the 'dongle' as copy protection on SuperBase Professional? Have any small children ever got a hold of it yet? B) I think for the $ value placed on Superbase Pro you should be able to get a copy -protection-Free copy.