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#Skipped Frames

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#74165From: Lance AtiyehFeb 8, 1994 11:01 PM
I workk at a small Public Access station in the D.C. area. We are running a Toaster 4000 with Ami-Link and using Sony VO 9850 3/4 SP decks. My problem is this. Up till a few days ago animations were running great. Then all of a sudden they started skipping frames. Our dealer came over and took a look and after a couple of sessions said that our station's sync was off and thjat that was what was caus9ing the problem. He suugestewd that we call Ami-Link. Ami=Link suggested that I change the code as follows ZZ NS NR NR1 ND1 CL RB0 EI SD3 AI1 PR007 TSV ECST (OR ECGP) RH They also told us to change something or other on the Sony 9850 to 6 frames instead of 1. Trying this did in fact get rid of the skipped frames, that is, it noe plays smoothly to the extent that there are no longer black frames intersprsed throughout the animation. But now,it either does not record some frames at all or records some twice. As an example., in a 60 frame animation, frame 5 was recorded twice while frame 47 was missed completely. That may not seem like a lot but it basically boils down to one glitch per second, which is not really condusive to smooth running animations. If anyone out there has had similar problems please reply. This problem has been going on for over a week now and our schedules are starting to fall behind. I'd appreciate any help from anyone, Thanks. Lance Atiyeh F.C.A.C. Channel 10 Fairfax, VA
#74265From: Wayne ColeFeb 10, 1994 2:07 AM
What they are doing is having you lay down each frame of animation on 3 frames of tape and then incrementing the tape frame count for the next paas by one. This gives you -0/+2 frame accuracy and just masks the problem, but does not solve it. (i.e put amin frame 1 on tape 1,2,3, the put anim frame 2 on tape 2,3,4 ….) They have also increased your pre-roll to 7 seconds. I suggest that first you revisit all the decks menu settings. Then make sure you have black busrt (not compsoite synch) to Toaster Input 1 and AmiLink. DO NOT send synch to the record deck, and be sure the deck synchs to the line in that is carrying the animation frame. If none of this works, it would suggest that either the BB is bad (easy to check with a WF scope) or the decks control logic has suffered a harware failure. You haven't upgraded AmiLink lately, have you? That is another possible source of error. They keep breaking more and never fixing anything in each subsequent release. They are technical dunderheads who can't fix diddly but will be happy to rip you of for grand a year for the priveledge of letting them lie to you. In that regard I w ould advise you to look for a differnt edit controller to get away from the RGB rip off's and tech support morons. Get Nueclues PSFC for animation – much more reliable and easier to use. wmc – via Autopilot!
#74369From: Lance AtiyehFeb 11, 1994 12:25 PM
Wayne, Thanks for the info. I kind of figured they were just masking the problem. I still wonder why it was working perfectly for three weeks straight, and the all of a sudden decided to start missing frames while rendering… Oh well. One question (I'm an editor not an engineer) why are we supposed to take sync OFF the record deck? Thanks a lot Lance
#74425From: Wayne ColeFeb 12, 1994 3:35 AM
I am assuming you'd have a tendency torun house sync to the record deck. (I've seen many articles with studios set up this way.) You would also feed the same sync to the switcher, in your case the toaster. So unless you delay the sync to the record deck by the delay induced through the Toaster, your deck will be looking for a frame to start before the Toaster delivers it. It is only necessary to have the deck synch to the video in from the toaster as that is what you want to get accurately on the tape anyway. In otherwords, the record deck should only dance to the Toaster's beat and and not to the beat of something else it is not trying to record. So in effect you are not eliminating synch from the deck, you should just set up to synch to the signal you are trying to record – the incomming video not an ext ref. Also look at all the menu items to see if any need to be reset for animation recording. For example, on myu decks I have to turn off the auto Hservo lock and set the edit field to field 2. If it worked find for 3 weeks then quit working well, somehting was changed, (connectors, cables, deck settings, sync generator, the sockets the various equipment was plugged into…) and the only thng you can do is to keep backtracking until you find it. If you ar using those awful 4 pin Y/C connectors, reseat them. They are notorious for pulling loose and if you've got a week intermittent connection, it may cause the symptoms you are seeing (but you should see it at the begining of other edits too..) wmc – via Autopilot!
#74585From: David SchachterFeb 14, 1994 2:30 AM
Why send black burst, rather than composite sync, to Toaster Input 1? Come to think of it, what's the difference? Lack of color burst or something? — David "Color Me Ignorant" Schachter
#74678From: Wayne ColeFeb 15, 1994 2:05 AM
Caveat – I'm not a video engineer, just a guy who learns enough about video to solve common edit studio problems (timing, some video noise and hum problems…). As I understand it, composite synch only has vertical and horizonal synch in it, whereas black burst has those plus reference and color black. So to a simpleton like me it seems that you get only timing from CS, for the most part, but from BB you get timing and level information. My observations with my equipment have been that, except for when just doing simple single source cuts or fades, if I run the Toasters with CS and its sources on BB, the Toaster sometimes can't do a DVE or transition cleanly. And sometimes if the Toaster is getting CS when I try to invoke it, I either get the "Toaster not Responding" or a screen w ith waving choma bands over the Toaster logo screen if it does succeed i n coming up. I see this on both Toaster 3.1 and Toaster 4000. I have no idea at this point why that is, but if I just stick to BB, I don't have any trouble.