CompuServe Thread

#Avid PC

4 messages in this thread
#2491From: Alberto TaboneFeb 1, 1995 7:29 PM
Brandon, you want to sound like you read all the thread so far, but from the points you raise it sounds to me that you haven't. Either that, or I haven't made myself clear. Well if that's the case, apologies to everybody, I am an Italian writing from Italy after all, I guess not many of you can sustain a similar conversation in Italian. I am not insulting anyone, actually I felt I was insulted by someone with words like "Mac bubble", "not worth my time", "Surf's up dude" and "May you rest in peace", to mention a few. All I said was that I would not favour a Windows-based Avid and I would not work on one if it ever happened. Someone didn't like what I said. Talk about freedom of speech. The Mac in the studio concept was used to explain that the quoted 'economics101' would mean that THOSE TV stations who do have an Avid system would not need to switch to a Windows one, which is why I reckoned it would not happen. Without insulting, I don't think you've grasped the core of my remarks. Anyway, no one is compelled to reply to messages, so if mine are uninteresting, boring or irrelevant, they can well be left alone. Alberto
#2502From: Brandon BartlettFeb 2, 1995 12:02 AM
Oh….Alberto, >>you want to sound like you read all the thread so far, but from the points you raise it sounds to me that you haven't.<< Being a bit condescending are we?… >>Someone didn't like what I said. Talk about freedom of speech. Yes, you have the freedom to say what ever you want, but you also have the responsibility to DEAL with the consequences of what you say. You sound like you're whining… >>I am not insulting anyone… Oops, care to retract that statement: >>We were not part of the majority, we were weird and we had to be kept at distance, just like a jew during WWII<< and… >>These people deserve as many system errors as their computer can deliver, and as little good software as their I/O bus and SVGA monitors can handle.<< and… >>Unless the work is really run of the mill, like building bottle caps….We don't make bottle caps.<< and… >>Ehm, sorry for you, I was talking about the BROADCAST systems, you know I was thinking about my work. I mean Media Composer and the NewsCutter, which are ON-LINE systems (maybe you know what that means?).<< and… >> I suppose you're happy now that you've got your little slice of the cake. and… >>Maybe you just love the sound of your own voice, huh? AND… >>As for your hypocritical wishes, take a real one, straight from the heart: I sincerely hope you go bankrupt.<< and… >>Hmmm….I heard vultures are early birds but you're a bit ahead of your group, judging by the information in my hands…<< and… >>Maybe this sip of freshly squeezed juice might kill your thirst for agony and death:<< Phew, I'm getting tired… >> Without insulting, I don't think you've grasped the core of my remarks. My jumping into the fray was not for the purpose of debating platforms or O/S's, but was to comment on the apparent attitudes with which you have accosted almost everyone in the discussion. I wasn't replying to agree/dispute with your "points" or arguments, to catch them or to miss them. Rather, I was commenting on your seemingly enormously condescending and beligerent attitude. As I reflect on the genesis of this discussion, however, it occurs to me that this may all be just one big international misunderstanding. Dean Oliver commented to the affect that he has trouble detecting tone in the written word here online, as do most of us occassionally. Taking into consideration the fact that two completely different cultures are involved, as well as an individual (you, Alberto) whose native language is not English (by the way, it is commendable that you have mastered to such a degree a second language, I have enough trouble with the ONE I know<g>), I propose that initially we all misinterpreted the tone of your messages, as I think you did with our following replies for the same reasons: >>actually I felt I was insulted by someone with words like "Mac bubble", "not worth my time", "Surf's up dude" and "May you rest in peace"<< I have not only conversed with Dean here on-line, but have benefited from reading many other messages and replies penned by him (as well as articles), and I think I have a small degree of insight into his personality on-line (please correct me if I'm wrong, Mr. Oliver), and these were not meant to be insulting, but were intended to be light-hearted and well meaning sarcasm, or being coy, were good-natured and fun conversation. I do think you were starting to "get to him" by the time he said "May you rest in peace", but by that time you were getting a little mean too, I think. In the end, there are many very good tools out there, Mac and PC, (and SGI, Amiga, etc. etc.), and I think all of us should be more worried about the quality of the end product and the satisfaction of the client, than what tools we used to get there. This whole forum's purpose is to enable each of us to learn from all the others, regardless of platform or software, because good design and production concepts will work on just about any system. If everyone in the world worked on Macs, or PC's, exclusively, we wouldn't have any of the great advances put forth by the other. The wonderful thing about having parallel development of similar tools across multiple platforms is that eventually, they all incorporate the best features and capabilities of the others. Anyway, its getting late, my wife is grimacing, my typing fingers are aching, I'm starting to ramble, so I need to go. Like a wise philosopher<g> once said "Can't we all just get along?". In all seriousness, I think a few honest-hearted apologies on all sides would go a long way towards ending this thread on a good note (and possibly averting a few mail bombings in the process <bg>). Regards to all, Brandon DesignTec
#2625From: Alberto TaboneFeb 4, 1995 7:54 PM
Brandon, "you have the freedom to say what ever you want, but you also have the responsibility to DEAL with the consequences of what you say. You sound like you're whining…" I am very happy to deal with the consequences of my statements, but I'm not happy to be told to do it elsewhere, by E-mail or in any way being shut up! "….[long list of my strong statements]…" Call that self-defense! Or if you prefer, hot sicilian blood… As for Mr Dean's intentions, no comment until I hear him confirm your views. Finally, I'm happy to call up an armistice and forget about it all. I didn't join the forum to fight wars either. My only condition is that all MacUsers in this forum are treated equally and respectfully, without dangerous sarcasm which may well be misunderstood. Amicably, Alberto
#2629From: Virtually RealFeb 4, 1995 9:32 PM
>>As for Mr Dean's intentions, no comment until I hear him confirm your views.<< As stated in two public apologies and attempts to clear this who matter up… I confirm Brandon's views. Mac, PC, Amiga, SGI, whatever you work with. If it suits your needs and helps you easily accomplish your goals then that's what is truly important. I never intended to belittle or otherwise "de-classify" any one particular platform. Additionally, we all work in different areas, different platforms, etc. I still think that we have much to benifit from one another. Dean