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#PAR field problem

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#154763From: david W. mennenohFeb 21, 1995 5:53 PM
I just experienced a nasty little problem with the PAR and want to know if anyone else has seen this. I've been rendering my room animation to the PAR for the last couple days. I've been interrupting it when I get home from work to get on here etc. (Can't wait for NT) Anyway, the frames from last night and todays render have their fields reversed from all of my previous stuff. I've been joining them with the PAR software when I get home. Five minutes ago. Right where I joined, the fields change and the whole animation shifts down and strobes somewhat from that point forward. Absolutely nothing has changed on my system since the previous renders. I'm using the 1.5 version the PAR software. Is there a way to reverse the fields on a range of frames? Does this mean that 17 hours of rendering time is wasted? I've been rendering stuff to the PAR for about one month and this is the first problem I've had with it. Does anyone have any ideas? DM
#154860From: MARTIN G FOSTERFeb 22, 1995 2:59 AM
David, there's a field order switch in the preferences (or used to be in 1.34b etc). That may help. But if you imported your files the with the switch the wrong way, I hope you hung on to the .tga files so you could copy them back again with the field order in the right direction.
#154874From: John EllisFeb 22, 1995 6:07 AM
David, >> Right where I joined, the fields change and the whole animation shifts down and strobes somewhat from that point forward. << I haven't experienced this, but there are a couple of possible solutions. One is to split the animation where it shifts to a reverse order fields and change the field order on the PAR and rejoin the two. This is the easiest if it works. The second option is to dump all the frames back on to the hard drive that have their field order reversed and import them again by switching the field order switch from what it was. This should work, unless the field order got switched in 3DS, in which case you may have a real problem. What you could then do, is output them as fields and bring them back in as fields. You'd have to test to get the first frame right which might mean rendering a frame to fields importing it, so that you have the correct first field, then they should match up in pairs. You shouldn't have to re-render unless for some reason some of the frames get corrupted in the process. Best of luck, John
#155080From: sherwood egbertFeb 22, 1995 10:02 PM
this might be a dumb question but does it not degrade the quality of the tga;s every time you copy back to the harddisk and then reload the targas again on the par?
#155136From: John EllisFeb 23, 1995 1:57 AM
David, >>but does it not degrade the quality of the tga's every time you copy back to the harddisk and then reload the Targa's << The loss isn't real perceptible the first time around and in a pinch like in DM's case, it'll work. Better to keep it in straight ANI format though like Razor Pro does. But no I wouldn't want to make a practice of it. You know me, I'm not totally enamored by its output as "broadcast quality" as it is. You might be interested to know that the D/Vision NLE editor uses the same kind of HD's but are SCSI. John
#154917From: David RhotenFeb 22, 1995 10:20 AM
What previous version of the PAR software were you using prior to 1.5? I found that on going from 1.09 to the 1.3x betas that I had to set the PAR software to the opposite of what the DOC's said (ie 3DS field-order=1 and PAR field-order=2). I've found that this holds for 1.5, also. Dave
#155746From: John K. JordanFeb 26, 1995 2:41 PM
David, This is concerning your PAR field order problem you reported on 2/21. I realize this is late and you probably have everything taken care of by now, but I ran into something similar a couple of days ago. I had loaded the new PAR.EXE 1.5 half-way thru a project and didn't notice it changed the field order for me, so I rendered some segments to the PAR in the wrong order. With a little expermentation, I found I could correct the field order for frames already on the PAR by – Changing the field order from 2 to 1 in the PAR Prefs dialog. – Exporting the ANI as TGAs to the HD – Changing the field order back to 2 in the PAR Prefs dialog. – Importing the TGAs as a new ANI This corrected the field order at the expense of some small loss of quality due to the second JPEG compression. For my case, the loss of quality was more desirable than re-rendering all the frames. Sorry to bother you if you already knew this. If you didn't, sorry I didn't find it sooner. Happy rendering! JKJ
#155934From: John StetzerFeb 27, 1995 2:46 PM
>>PAR field order problem Could you repost the described problem w/a fix, John; just installed 1.5 on my system and can't get fields to work no matter what I've tried. TIA… John Stetzer JWS
#155954From: John K. JordanFeb 27, 1995 4:33 PM
>>can't get fields to work… Hi JWS, This problem was a bunch of frames rendered with fields and sent to the PAR with the wrong field order. With the field order in 3DS.SET set to 1, the field order should be set to 1 with PARDRV or to 2 with PAR.EXE/PAR.INI. In my case, I rendered to the PAR with field order=1 instead of 2. To fix it, I exported the frames to TGAs with fieldorder=1, then imported them with fieldorder=2. This, however, probably doesn't apply to you if fields don't work at all. To get fields to work with the PAR should be fairly straight forward: – set FIELD-ORDER=1 in 3DS.SET – set the field order to 2 in the PAR.EXE Prefs dialog – turn fields ON in the render dialog Assuming you've done this, I don't know what could keep it from working, unless it is a hardware problem. You said you just installed v1.5 – does that mean that fields worked with an earlier version but don't work now or is this the first time you tried to use fields? If you render a single frame of a simple fast-moving object in the KF with fields on, can you see both interlaced fields on the PAR display? JKJ
#155965From: John StetzerFeb 27, 1995 5:42 PM
>>is this the first time Nope: I'm a field-o-holic for at least a year now :^). Settings are as you gave, but a sequence that imported from tgas on a seperate HD correctly under 1.30b imported w/field reversed when used as a background ifl. I just tried bringing them straight in through the PAR.EXE, w/the same result. The original plays fine; this one has me puzzled. Was hoping for some easy settings change; it must be something simple I missed somewhere. Major sigh; oh well, there's always tommorrow. Thanks for the info. …later Well, found out what it was, John. I did have fields set to 2 on the main screen; because I saw this I didn't corollate the 2 in your post w/the prefs subscreen. Man, there must be a sizable dent in my forehead from all the times the heel of my hand has come in contact w/it lately (rueful :^). Again, thanks for the info; now all I need to do is work on the (mental) processor on this end ;^). John Stetzer JWS <looks nothing like a J*J ;^)>
#155987From: david W. mennenohFeb 27, 1995 7:19 PM
>> I had loaded the new PAR.EXE 1.5 half-way thru a project and didn't >> notice it changed the field order for me <BG> You make it sound like a feature! I actually just re-rendered, but thanks for the great tip on changing the field order. DM