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From:
Rebecca Thomas
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 17, 1993 12:06 PM
Allen, Thanks for the tip. I'll look into it. I appreciate the help. Beckie
From:
Rich Parker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 17, 1993 12:05 PM
Joe, I've already be chastened by several others for the slip of my eye when reading the Moto ad in MacWeek. It occurred to me at the time that it would be a major achievement to develop a package that could dissipate 85 watts…but I didn't give it much thought.…
From:
Rebecca Thomas
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 17, 1993 12:05 PM
Howard, Thanks alot for the information. I'll give it some thought and research and get back to you with more questions. Thanks again! –Beckie–
From:
Peter H. Teeson
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 17, 1993 10:13 AM
Rich: It's not just wafer size. One has to also consider the number of process steps. The number of layers in the device also adds considerably. So perhaps a cost per process step class is a way to get a better grip. For example the chemicals for etching are indeed…
From:
Allen Prescott
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 17, 1993 10:02 AM
Rebecca, HyperCard is great for concept work but you do not want to use it for your final application. We did HC work for about 3 years and a lot of the time we saved we had to reinvest into trying to make it do something that we needed it…
#ToolServer & MPW
Message #132095
From:
Greg Dougherty
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 17, 1993 3:02 AM
If I have an editor that will work with ToolServer (i.e. Think Project Manager), is there anything that I can do with MPW (the basic $150 Package) that I cannot do with ToolServer? TIA, —Greg
SADE Crashing
Message #132091
From:
Tryg Inda
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 17, 1993 2:17 AM
I am using SADE 1.3. When ever I access the FPU, It drops into SADE with Error type 10, and causes the app that accessed the FPU to crash. It is hard to step through FPU code when SADE keeps dying. Thanks, Tryg
From:
Tom Nalevanko
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 16, 1993 9:19 PM
Glenn, We'll get some literature right out to you on VIP-C and VIP-BASIC. Thanks for your interest. Tom Nalevanko Mainstay
Prob. w/ fpu/68881 (Mac)
Message #132063
From:
Todd Wangsness
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 8:08 PM
I am developing some C code on a Centris 650 w/fpu using ThinkC++ 6.0. When I turn on the 68020, 68881 and native floating point options, I get a program crash (bus error) whenever I do a math.c function (e.g. modf, sqrt, fmod, etc.). I've recompiled ANSI per pg. 409…
From:
Glenn Carr
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 16, 1993 7:39 PM
My address is… 13517 Springhaven Dr. Fairfax, VA 22033 Phone W: 703/352-0300 I am very much interested in both products. Thanks, Glenn
From:
Howard Oakley
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 16, 1993 4:58 PM
Rebecca, As a developer who has let his own children loose on Macs from the age of 2 years, may I suggest: 1. Take a look – a long look – a KidPix. It is exemplary. 2. Avoid HyperCard. Although it is v nice for some things, it lacks most…
Software Testing
Message #132049
From:
Alpharel-Mark Jungw
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 16, 1993 4:13 PM
Thanks Greg. A couple of people have suggested Virtual User (which I wasn't familiar with before) I will look into it.
Rob, >>I know, but I was sort of hoping that if you needed it enough you'd fix it 🙂 I do, and I would. |-> But I don't have g3states.h! I only have the g3states.c file that generates it. And -that- won't compile, so I can't generate the header to…
From:
Joe Laffey
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 1:02 PM
>>If you've looked at the PowerPC 601 chip's specs, you'll see that the Pentium is a much lower power chip, by far, than the 601 (i.e., 16 W for the Pentium versus 85 W for the 601)! The 603 chip is supposed to have a much lower power consumption.
From:
Rich Parker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 11:53 AM
Simon, "Is there any quick and easy way to turn a string (eg/ 'sin(x)') into an expression, for which you can substitue a value of x?" If you're willing to use AppleEvents, and pass the string to either Userland Frontier or HyperCard, either will return a result that you can…
From:
Rich Parker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 11:53 AM
Robert, "Is there any kind of generalization one could make on cost given the area of a chip." Yes and no. All manufacturing costs are figured on a per-wafer basis. Depending on the size of the wafer, you might get more or less potential die. Depending upon the average yield/wafer,…
#Software Dev. Tools?
Message #132022
From:
Rebecca Thomas
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 16, 1993 11:02 AM
HELP! We are trying to develop an interactive software program for use by small children. The program requires graphics, some animation, sound, and VERY IMPORTANT — ease of use. We are looking to develop on a MAC Quadra 800 or a lower model MAC. We are looking for suggestions as…
From:
Ron Whatley
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 10:25 AM
Thanks James. I'll C if I can read it. Ron
From:
Robert S. Mah[OSB]
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 9:01 AM
Bill, ===> I already have tifflib. Unfortunately there's a problem compiling the Group 3/4 stuff on the Mac.
XTND Translaters
Message #132013
From:
Karl Goiser
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 16, 1993 8:35 AM
Does anyone have any comments about XTND?? I am considering using it as part of a commercial application that needs to extract the text from many different file formats. I was wondering what sort of experience people had had with programming and using it? Also, where can XTND translators be…
From:
Brian Fitzgerald
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 16, 1993 2:46 AM
I don't have any uncommented spaghetti (I gave it up for Lent many years ago)! If you can't find any example source code in the MacDev libraries, let me know in a few days and I'll try to abstract some out. It's not that hard, really, but there are a…
From:
Tom Nalevanko
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 11:57 PM
Simon, Why do you want to do this? Wouldn't it be good enough to use sin(x) intrinsically in a function? What does the BBC BASIC functionality do exactly? I may have a solution for you but hesitate to offer it without knowing more re the intent of the operation. Thanks…
From:
Craig Miller
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 11:41 PM
Simon, 4th Dimension has this capability with the EXECUTE and Get Pointer commands, but you may not be looking for a specialized database language. Craig Miller
From:
David Ramsey
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 9:34 PM
Simon, >> Is there any quick and easy way to turn a string (eg/ 'sin(x)') into an >> expression, for which you can substitue a value of x? Not in any Mac language I know of…
Thanks Rob, I already have tifflib. Unfortunately there's a problem compiling the Group 3/4 stuff on the Mac. In vers 3.2 beta it even documents it, and turns it off in the makefile. Bill
From:
Tom Nalevanko
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 15, 1993 8:50 PM
Glen, We have two visual programming products similar in concept to Microsoft's Visual BASIC. They are VIP-C and VIP-BASIC. I would be glad to send you some info on them. If you are coming to Macworld Boston, stop by and see us at booth 5328 WTC. VIP-C will be released…
The tool/object discussion is interesting, and apt, when comparing DOS and the Macintosh interface. I was just reading Macintosh Programming Secrets and there is a section in on of the chapters called "Select, then act." Traditional computer operating systems use "act, then select." For example, to delete text you enter…
From:
Howard Oakley
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 15, 1993 6:30 PM
Tom, I personally would focus on the ability to take two classes (from an OOP approach) and inherit from them (this does, though, require multiple inheritance to be clearest cut). To stay in the abstract, an OOP programmer who has implemented a sports car class, and a pickup class, should…
#Prototyping System
Message #131946
From:
Glenn Carr
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 15, 1993 5:12 PM
I am new to the Mac environment and I was trying to find a product for the Mac similar to Microsoft's Visual Basic for a PC. I need a product for quick prototyping. Any help at all would be appreciatted. –Glenn Carr
#String->Expression?
Message #131942
From:
Simon DeDeo
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 4:40 PM
Is there any quick and easy way to turn a string (eg/ 'sin(x)') into an expression, for which you can substitue a value of x? I know that BBC Basic has an expression like this, and it was *very* useful.
From:
Steve Wagy
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 4:01 PM
"If you are interested, please order it direct from us. We dislike paying Apple nearly 50% of our income when you buy it through APDA :(. Especially since they use the money to subsidize our competition. There is a demo in the Tools/Debuggers library here. When we release 1.2, we'll…
From:
Robert S. Mah[OSB]
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 3:36 PM
Bill, If you have Internet access you could get tifflib by Sam Leffer (sp?) or the PBMPlus libraries. I know the first has CCITT Group 3/4 code, the latter may have it as well. You can FTP tifflib at ftp.sgi.com. Can't remember the directory though. Cheers, Rob
From:
Robert S. Mah[OSB]
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 3:32 PM
Rich, Is there any kind of generalization one could make on cost given the area of a chip. For example the Pentium has around twice the area of a PowerPC 601. Is it possible to roughly estimate expected manufacturing costs using todays tech keeping everything but the chip size constant?…
From:
Alpharel-Mark Jungw
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 3:32 PM
Thanks, Burt. I owe you one.
Need Group 4 help!
Message #131931
I am faced with a bunch of images that need to be decompressed. They were squeezed with CCITT Group 4, using a hardware board that is no longer made. I've turned up a couple of leads, but so far they have fallen through. Tiffit, in the libs here, is a…
#Mystic River alive?
Message #131930
Does anyone know if Mystic River Software is still around? They have a demo in the library here called Tiffit, dated 1990. It says they sell a set of libraries to do CCITT Group 3 and 4 compression/decompression. The number listed is answered by a fax, and I've sent them…
From:
Steve Budrys
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 2:38 PM
"Thanks, I'll call to see what they have" Richard, If it's possible, I'm sure that many of the smaller developers would greatly appreciate it if you purchased their tools directly from them. As you've seen, the market for Mac development tools is much smaller than the PC market, and not…
#Dialog help
Message #131925
From:
Gary Kratzer
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 2:20 PM
I've got a dialog box that contains several edit text items and I need help with a couple of problems. BTW – I'm using THINK C 5.0. 1) How can I restrict the number and type of characters the user can enter in each item? (I only want to accept…
From:
James W. Walker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 1:56 PM
> I have a help screen I've written that contains a topic list and > a scrolling text area (which doesn't scroll yet). If you don't mind reading C code (I think you requested Pascal) I posted code for the same task, called Show_help. Look for SHHELP.SIT in the libs,…
From:
Brian Fitzgerald
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 12:13 PM
> I have just started using AppMaker and am wondering if there are any > dicey consequences of using ResEdit on the created resource files. David, I do that all the time (except of course I use Resorcerer; ymmv). AppMaker creates perfectly normal Macintosh resources in a perfectly normal Macintosh…
From:
Brian Fitzgerald
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 12:13 PM
I neglected to mention that source code for the more complicated version is available. There are any number of "Help" libraries, that implement a "Help" function. At the heart of most of them is code that gets text from a resource puts it into a TextEdit record lets you scroll…
From:
Brian Fitzgerald
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 12:13 PM
> And I'm sure you wouldn't be surprised to learn that in addition to > PCs, I'm a Rush Limbaugh fan Rush Limbaugh is a Mac fanatic. He's gone on several times about how discomfiting that must be to liberals (a jab at, among other things, John Sculley's avid endorsement…
From:
Spec Bowers
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 11:59 AM
Dave, The AppMaker document *is* a resource file. You can open it and modify it with ResEdit. Conversely, you can open any existing resource file with AppMaker. When you generate code with AppMaker, it looks at whatever resources are in the resource file at that time. So you can make…
From:
Rich Parker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 11:44 AM
Craig, You're right. I was mistaken. My old eyes didn't see the decimal point in Motorola's ad for the 601. I come from a semiconductor background and couldn't imagine how Moto could dissipate 85 watts in an LSI package…but I believed it until I was recently told to look for…
From:
Rich Parker
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 11:44 AM
Robert, "Umm, that's 8.5 watts. Those damn decimal points!!!" You're absolutely right. I looked at the ad once again, using a magnifying glass, and there was, indeed, a decimal point there. That's a whole lot better. I couldn't figure out how Motorola managed to build a package that could dissipate…
Mac Prog Text Editors
Message #131911
From:
Dan Wilks
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 10:55 AM
Gregg, Here's a few lines from my UserStartup*Dan (the * is really a dot [option-8]). MPW loads all the files whose name begins with UserStartup when it starts. This way you can have your own 'autoexec' files which don't get overwritten when Apple releases a new version of MPW. AddMenu…
From:
Ron Whatley
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 9:45 AM
Brian, Thanks for your help. >>> Of course, this won't scroll or anything. If you want to scroll through text, then you'll probably want to put the text from the resource into a TextEdit record, add a few scroll bars, etc etc. That's about 100-500 lines of code (100 lines…
#OOP vs. Procedural]
Message #131902
From:
Thomas Droege
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Dev. Environments
July 15, 1993 7:57 AM
I have questions for you OOP and Procedural enthusiasts out there. One of the interesting aspects of the 1993 Developers Competition will be the emergence of teams using OOP. Last year we had a few, but none managed to do well (Magic is OOP in some aspects, but would not…
From:
Mario Vano
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· C and Pascal
July 15, 1993 7:38 AM
What Peter said is what I also think should work! Mario
From:
Burt Johnson
MAUG(R)/Macintosh Developers/Programmers Forum
· Tools/Debuggers
July 15, 1993 3:00 AM
Apple produced Virtual User a couple years ago. I think it is now in version 2. You can purchase it from APDA. – Burt
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