#CDTV $3 Royalty?
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I talked today with CBM's John Campbell, to ask why the CDTV per-disc royalty
rose from 25 cents to $3. His reasons: 1) Because everyone else (that is:
Sega, 3DO, CD-I, but except MPC) is doing it. 2) Because 25 cent royalties
didn't make it worthwhile to sue the companies who didn't pay the royalty in
the past. 3) Because $3 a disc would generate cash to help justify future
development and support of the CDTV mastering tools.
I pointed out that this doubles the parts cost of CD-ROM products made with
CBM's tools. A minimal CD-ROM title might cost about $3 to produce a disc in a
jewel box with a color cover. Of course, this doesn't account for other
overhead costs, or the costs associated with the actual data on the disc.
Syndesis has been working on a CD-ROM product. We had hoped to use CBM's
tools, but they've just priced us out of the market. I had high hopes that
more Amiga developers would produce non-CDTV discs, because of the inexpensive
access to CBM's pre-mastering tools. Now it's a lot more expensive to do so.
I think they've just priced several other companies out of the market, or at
least cut their profits… like Hypermedia, who sells Fish discs at $69
retail, and quarterly updates for about $20… or Xetec, who was giving away
two CDTV-compatible CD-ROMs with their CD-ROM drive bundles… and certainly
Walnut Creek won't bother to make their discs CDTV compatible if the royalty is
$3.
You've got to pay $3 a disc if you used CBM's pre-mastering tools to make the
disc. (Using their tools makes the disc CDTV-compatible.) I think this means
that all the non-CDTV-specific Amiga discs will be mastered on other platforms.
I think a lot of CDTV titles will be priced out of the market… a $6 raw
parts cost instead of a $3 parts cost means a $50 title barely makes any money.
If distributors are buying it for $20, and the raw cost is $6, there's only $14
for overhead and R&D, instead of $17. In other words, CBM just imposed a 17
percent tax on low-cost discs.
From my discussions with present CDTV developers, sales were so dismal to begin
with – now a $3 royalty to CBM can only make it worse. Most CDTV titles were
in minimal packaging in order to preserve margins while maintaining a $50-or-so
price point.
On the other hand, if you send $4,000 to Pinnacle Micro, they'll send you a
Mac-based CD-ROM writing drive and pre-mastering software. This writes $39
"one-off" discs in ISO-9660, audio, and Mac HFS formats. If you planned to sell
at least 2,000 discs, would you rather send $6,000+ to CBM, or would you rather
send $4,000 to Pinnacle and have an in-house system?
Considering the number of people developing for CDTV, Commodore shouldn't
be charging anything for a royalty. They should just be selling the
software directly.
Steve
They must not believe that they're in an underdog position in the Wars for the
Consumer CD-ROM Device. From the way Campbell was talking, they're confident
that everyone involved in publishing CD-based games/titles will do
cross-platform development, and will pay the royalty. By leaving the royalty
where it was at 25 cents each, and if the other consoles are really at $3 or so
royalty (Kevin Darling, where are you when we need you 🙂 then you'd think
they'd attract more publishers by simply having a lower royalty.
They should be *begging* for support. But they aren't that smart.
–Ben
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With the logic of this CDTV royalty increase, they should charge developers per
copy for bootable Workbench disks, too.
Logic? Logic?
–Ben
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We don't need no steekin logic, apparently. I tell ya, everytime that $450 fee
comes around, I think twice… What do I get from it most often? Someone
passing the buck, because they can't determine who's really in charge of the
project / product in question, because of personnel shifts.
Um. We do well enough with them, but perhaps the fact that we're not into
CDROM at all at this point has helped. They've been good about everything
for us, really.
I really don't have trouble with the technical group, I think they're
good. I have trouble with policy and direction, which seems to be
determined by random drawing from the corporate records of Edsel.
–Ben
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