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#91911From: Massimo BrogioniMar 12, 1993 6:29 AM
What can I do to connect two amigas in network without using Parnet and other machines ??? (DNet too…)
#92000From: Jim DuttonMar 13, 1993 2:34 AM
Massimo, You might be able to use a "null modem" between the two serial ports, but that would only give you raw data out = raw data in. There is an Ethernet board and TCP/IP software that uses that board, if you want to go to a "real" network. There is also an ENLAN-??? product available (I can NEVER remember the last part of that product – phooey!). I am sure that others will have more suggestions. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#92097From: Massimo BrogioniMar 14, 1993 6:57 AM
Thanx. Do you now where I can find some informations about the Ethernet board ?? Can I use this board to connect _only_ two aamigas ??
#92167From: Greg MalcangiMar 14, 1993 5:31 PM
Massimo, The Ethernet board, as far as I know will support as many Amigas as you care to fit with the card. I think the determining factor is the software. If you look in the AmigaVendors forum there is a company called "Oxxi" that do software relating to networking Amigas. I know that here in the UK Ethernet boards are very difficult to find. In fact when I rang Commodore it took a great deal of time and effort before I could find someone who knew what an Ethernet card was! Penso che i Stati Uniti e il posto di comprare questo "board". Spero che tu abbia meglio fortuna di me! Ciao, Gregorio.
#92396From: Jim DuttonMar 17, 1993 1:15 AM
Massimo, The information I have comes from CBM flyers dated, I believe, back in 1990. I have heard that there is a newer version – maybe someone else can attest to that. Here are the basics for the A2065 (CBM Ethernet board): autoconfig, 10Mbps (CSMA/CD interface), DMA access to shared RAM, ANSI 802.3 compliant, can use Thick (Type A) or Thin (Type B) cables, 32K onboard RAM I couldn't find any ads for one in the January, 1993 issue of AmigaWorld, but it probably costs somewhere between $200 – $400. If you only need file access between two Amiga's, you should try using ParNET, which is available in one of the Amiga libraries (you'll need a special cable, however – about $30). The TCP/IP software flyer is also old, and too long to really list everything here, but here are the basics for AS225: supports (requires) A2065, requires 1MB RAM minimum, provides VT100 terminal emulation, NFS Client, full host (DNS) table, TFTP, ARP, FTP, RFC742 FINGER, UDP I have not seen any ads for this either, but it probably costs somewhere between $150 – $250. These costs are PER unit, so you would need twice that for two Amiga's. Again, ParNET works well and does provide for file access from either machine. If you "use it often enough", they request a "shareware donation", I believe. Other than CBM itself, I don't know where you could get the above Ethernet components. Others may offer you different solutions, but if you are going strictly from one Amiga to another, I doubt that you really want a "full blown" network setup, unless, that is, if you can afford it. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#92429From: Massimo BrogioniMar 17, 1993 4:26 PM
I have tried PARnet and used for some time, but I want to installa aBBS on one Amiga and share the resources between this Amiga and another Amiga in the same desk. I have the boubt that PARnet is not so efficient as I need. Thanx MB-)
#92612From: Jim DuttonMar 20, 1993 3:48 AM
Massimo, Hmmm – I have only used ParNET twice, so won't say that it is the best solution for you, but, if all you need is access to the file system of the other machine, it should be adequate enough to accomplish that (in a two machine, only, environment). You can even execute programs across "the cable", but you will loose locallized ASSIGN's and assumed directory references (eg; initialization files in the S: directory, which would point to the local machine, not the one where the program (file) was being executed (read) from). I have no experience with running a BBS and trying to use ParNET, but perhaps someone else does or can offer you so more insight (?). Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#92459From: Christopher LapriseMar 18, 1993 12:52 AM
Jim, I would warn against ParNet. I've used it for years and it has some _major_ bugs. Meanwhile, Commodore sits on the code and denies us even a bug fix. Of course, I could use this as yet another opportunity to state everything that's wrong with Amiga networking (e.g. Commodore still hasn't got netoworking on the A500 or A1200, Ethernet cards are in short supply, ParNet is being used to add CD-ROM capability to Amiga CPUs, etc.). If they just fixed ParNet, it would improve the situation by 100%. -Chris
#92613From: Jim DuttonMar 20, 1993 3:48 AM
Christopher, There now IS a patch to ParNET in one of "our" libraries here, but it may not be what you have wanted (?). Correct – CBM does not appear to have much of a presence in the "networking arena", and I truly hope that it will forge ahead with this, since this is one major way to "join up with" the other platforms. Windows-NT was supposed to have networking "built in", though it looks like the initial release will not have this capability. I would love to see AmigaDOS xxx with not only RTG, but also, "networking built in". It IS interesting, however, that over the last several years how the Amiga, OS/2, and Apple 'systems' have implemented very similar new mechanisms (such as Amiga's WorkBench Startup), sooooooooo, maybe CBM will do more in the future in expanding its system capabilities ? Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#92765From: Christopher LapriseMar 22, 1993 2:02 AM
I've tried NetPatch, and it doesn't fix the lockup problems when accessing assigned system directories, for instance. ParNet is also touchy in my A4000, particularly with the caches on. -Chris
#92933From: Jim DuttonMar 24, 1993 4:43 AM
Christopher, Hmm – what do you mean by "ParNet is also touchy in my A4000, particularly with the caches on"? I have an A2000 with a PP&S '040 (with all caches on), but have only used ParNet twice (so far). There were occassions where I seemed to have "locked things up", but then these were also occuring, most likely, because of a system crash (or reset) on one of the two boxes. Real World:southern Illinois,USA Internet:ca0008 at siucvmb.siu.edu
#93105From: Christopher LapriseMar 25, 1993 7:20 PM
Then you have not run Parnet enough. Sustained transfers tend to cause data errors and eventual crash. If I turn the caches off on the sending machine (usually the 4000) the problem almost disappears. I can also see the errors before the lockup because I was primarily transmitting images, and I could see the flaws caused by ParNet. I didn't have this particular problem with the A3000-A500 setup, although it did forget or refuse to access assigned directories most of the time. -Chris
#92047From: Larry GlambMar 13, 1993 5:50 PM
That's ENLAN-DFS and it does a very good job for an amiga only network (also works with DECNET but i'm using simply to allow one amiga access to the big disk on the other). lGlamb lglamb+RV13@rvdc.unisys.com CTOS Data Comm Support
#92098From: Massimo BrogioniMar 14, 1993 6:59 AM
This can be a good thing to me. Do you know where can I find this boards ?? The price ?? Ciao MB-)
#92282From: Larry GlambMar 15, 1993 7:45 PM
MB, I got from Briwall. ENLAN was $230 for 5 node license. Boards are standard CBM A2065s. Price was something just under $300 each. I'm running over ThinNet cable but I believe these boards will also go to an external MAU which means you could probably install a 10BaseT network. Briwall is very good at integrating this type of stuff so I'ld ask them for details. They also had a shared SCSI based system that I couldn't use due to cabling problems but I believe was less costly. lGlamb lglamb+RV13@rvdc.unisys.com CTOS Data Comm Support
#92338From: Massimo BrogioniMar 16, 1993 4:07 PM
Thanx. But… A2065 is already producted (I know little English..) ??? Ciao MB-)