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#What's new with Mac???

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#163762From: David ParkerMar 13, 1994 8:28 PM
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I need some information about Mac development. I wanted to do some programming and back when I had a Mac, I was frustrated that there were no good development environments — like Borland. I did not see the programmers workbench (MPW ?) as being that good. I left Mac for an IBM clone. After going through the OS/2 v. NT v. Windoze insanity, I'm sick of the clone and I long for Mac. I think that my problems with programming environments was as a result of not knowing where to look. I got The Apple Catalog and saw that Mac's were up to 33MHz and that AU/X can be run from CD-ROM — I jumped for joy! I saw that there was a Mac X server. There is something called Apple Link and you can get a CD-ROM similar to what Microsoft has with its developers CD. Questions: 1) Are there Borland-like Apple development environments now? 2) Is Power Mac and Power PC the same? I want to do Mac development but I also need to keep up with Windoze. I see Power PC (or Power Mac) as a way that I can do that. Could someone recommend a system for a "power" developer? 3) Can I develope X clients under AU/X? Are Motif development kits available? 4) Does Power PC or Power Mac have the extended Apple keyboard? PC keyboard stink!!! 5) Are OpenDoc SDK available? 6) When will Taligent technology be incorporated into System 7? 7) When will System 7 support threads? 8) Has there been much success with Dylan? thanks, dave
#163794From: Paul CunninghamMar 14, 1994 12:40 AM
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David, I'll take a shot at answering at least a few of your questions… "Are there Borland-like Apple development environments now?" I've worked with Borland and feel it's safe to compare Symantec C++ or better yet Metrowerks CodeWarrior to that type of environment. CodeWarrior offers the additional benefit of supporting native Power PC development. "Is Power Mac and Power PC the same?" Not exactly. The PowerMac _is_ a Macintosh in every respect right down to the built-in AppleTalk and ADB connectors. Even though other computers use the PowerPC chip, I don't believe they will run the Macintosh system software. However, several of the new PowerMac models will be bundled with a version of SoftPC that will run Windows at decent speed (like a fast 386 is what I've heard). "Does Power PC or Power Mac have the extended Apple keyboard?" The PowerMacs don't include a keyboard, but since they have ADB connectors, you can choose from any of the available Macintosh keyboards. (My favorite is the SunTouch Mac from SIIG.) "When will Taligent technology be incorporated into System 7?" I'm by no means an expert on Taligent, but it's my understanding that Taligent is an operating system itself, tailored for use with multimedia. Due to this fact, and due to the fact that Taligent is currently not part of Apple's system software development, I don't see it becoming part of Apple's core system software. "When will System 7 support threads?" It does support threads using the Thread Manager. Though System 7 does not support pre-emptive multitasking, the Thread Manager does in a limited fashion (no toolbox calls). "Has there been much success with Dylan?" I really don't know much about the cast of 90210 either, but I believe he just finished some kind of rodeo movie and has been on a few of the late night talk shows recently… -Paul Cunningham
#163813From: John MacVeighMar 14, 1994 3:53 AM
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David, 1) The two-non Apple dev. environments for C/C++ are Symantec's Think C and Metrowerk's Code Warrior (the latter is brand new and is shipping a "developer release", with free update to final version). They are very similar (many MW developers used to work on Think C), but MW already has PowerPC code generation. There are other langauges as well: look in this forum for notes about SmallTalk Agents from QKS and Prograph CPX from Prograph International. 2) "PowerPC" is the name of the chip that the new Macs will use. It is the one based on IBM's POWER architecture and fab'd by IBM and Motorola. To get PowerPC code generation you can get Metrowerks now, wait till May or so for Symantec, or spring for Apple's MPW and PowerPC SDK, available now, for a price. 3) I know nothing about Unix on the Mac (or most anywhere else, for that matter). [But I'd be surprised if you could run AU/X _from_ a CD, I think it's just shipped that way and then you load it onto a hard disk.] 4) The new Macs use the same ADB keyboards: the small compact one, the regular extended one, and the rather larger "ergonomic" one. Check your local dealer this week! 5) The OpenDoc SDK is not available yet. I have somehow managed to leave my notes about OpenDoc at the office, perhaps someone else has dates or AppleLink addresses for getting on their mailing list. 6,7) Taligent will never be incorporated into the present System 7, as Taligent requires memory protection, better VM, threads/multiprocessing support, etc. This does not mean that System 7 won't be updated to this level of support in the future, but the dates for this are not at all encouraging (like late '95). OTOH, parts of Taligent's technology are already shiping to their cusomers (Apple, IBM, and now HP) and IBM looks to be the first to start shipping things (low-level drivers) to customers, later this year. So Taligent seems to be doing ok, but Apple's support for it on the Mac seems to be lagging (so what else is new?) 8) Dylan is still in the works, not yet released. It has a new infix notation, and Mike Lockwood, author of SourceBug, has worked on a framework built with it (this is NOT a product announcement). Next word on what Apple may do with Dylan would probably come out during their World Wide Developer's Conference (May). The assumption is that they have a development environment for it (or are working with a 3rd party to make one) but nothing's been seen yet. BTW, AppleLink is Apple's electronic mail and bulletin board system (based on GE's Information Services system) and has been around longer than the Mac. In fact, it is being replaced this year (in stages) with a new setup called e-World, built by Apple and based on America Online software. Hope this fills in some gaps, –John
#163934From: David ParkerMar 14, 1994 6:14 PM
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"2) "PowerPC" is the name of the chip that the new Macs will use. " So this means that Apple _is_ migrating from 680×0 to PowerPC for all the new Macs and by getting a PowerPC now, instead of a Quadra, I'll be ready for future Apple endeavors? Finally, I read today in one of the OS/2 magazines that Apple is readying a version of System 7 for PowerPC and that all Mac apps can run on this PowerPC. Is there an expected release date for the PowerPC and its System 7? I called Apple to get literature on PowerPC, so I expect it in a few days. thanks, dave
#164011From: John MacVeighMar 15, 1994 2:48 AM
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Apple is most definitely migrating to the PowerPC. You can go buy one today, if any are left. (My company got ahold of one at a MicroCenter Monday afternoon; supposedly the last of its configuration in the store: model 7100 8/250). You could still get a 68040 Quadra and then upgrade in a few months (2 or 3 options) if you want to sit out the initial period of waiting for native apps to appear. It is likely that a year from now the only Macs Apple will be selling will have PowerPC chips in them. The PowerMacs run System Software version 7.1.2, and apart from a few minor updates it is hard to distinguish from 7.1. Of course all the real work is hidden under the interface. If you go to a store, don't leave without playing with the "Graphing Calculator" which is a native app that ships with the machine and really shows off the PowerPC. –John
#164119From: Mayson LancasterMar 15, 1994 8:53 PM
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>>Is there an expected release date for the PowerPC and its System 7?<< You really are new to Mac development, aren't you?<g> (The Power Macintosh and its System 7.1.2 were officially released Monday, with much attendant marketing hoopla and hype [some of it even justified], along with a lot of Intel/Microsoft generated FUD) You might want to look at the MacWEEK special report on the Power Macintoshes, available in their forum over on Ziffnet [go macweek] – quite good.
#164130From: David ParkerMar 15, 1994 10:17 PM
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"You really are new to Mac development, aren't you?<g>" Afraid so. I purchased a Mac IIcx when the ink was still wet on the documentation. I used Macs, but didn't do any programming. I've been on the Intel side with … Windoze. I miss Macs. I hope CompUSA has good sales on Power Macs, Powerbooks, and Newtons. Santa may be delivering all year. thanks, dave