#What's new with Mac???
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#What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=(none), resolved parent_id points to #(none)
I need some information about Mac development. I wanted to do some programming
and back when I had a Mac, I was frustrated that there were no good development
environments — like Borland. I did not see the programmers workbench (MPW ?)
as being that good. I left Mac for an IBM clone.
After going through the OS/2 v. NT v. Windoze insanity, I'm sick of the clone
and I long for Mac. I think that my problems with programming environments was
as a result of not knowing where to look.
I got The Apple Catalog and saw that Mac's were up to 33MHz and that AU/X can
be run from CD-ROM — I jumped for joy! I saw that there was a Mac X server.
There is something called Apple Link and you can get a CD-ROM similar to what
Microsoft has with its developers CD.
Questions:
1) Are there Borland-like Apple development environments now? 2) Is Power Mac
and Power PC the same? I want to do Mac development but I also need to keep up
with Windoze. I see Power PC (or Power Mac) as a way that I can do that.
Could someone recommend a system for a "power" developer? 3) Can I develope X
clients under AU/X? Are Motif development kits available? 4) Does Power PC or
Power Mac have the extended Apple keyboard? PC keyboard stink!!! 5) Are
OpenDoc SDK available? 6) When will Taligent technology be incorporated into
System 7? 7) When will System 7 support threads? 8) Has there been much
success with Dylan?
thanks, dave
#163762-What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=163762, resolved parent_id points to #163762
David,
I'll take a shot at answering at least a few of your questions…
"Are there Borland-like Apple development environments now?"
I've worked with Borland and feel it's safe to compare Symantec C++ or better
yet Metrowerks CodeWarrior to that type of environment. CodeWarrior offers the
additional benefit of supporting native Power PC development.
"Is Power Mac and Power PC the same?"
Not exactly. The PowerMac _is_ a Macintosh in every respect right down to the
built-in AppleTalk and ADB connectors. Even though other computers use the
PowerPC chip, I don't believe they will run the Macintosh system software.
However, several of the new PowerMac models will be bundled with a version of
SoftPC that will run Windows at decent speed (like a fast 386 is what I've
heard).
"Does Power PC or Power Mac have the extended Apple keyboard?"
The PowerMacs don't include a keyboard, but since they have ADB connectors, you
can choose from any of the available Macintosh keyboards. (My favorite is the
SunTouch Mac from SIIG.)
"When will Taligent technology be incorporated into System 7?"
I'm by no means an expert on Taligent, but it's my understanding that Taligent
is an operating system itself, tailored for use with multimedia. Due to this
fact, and due to the fact that Taligent is currently not part of Apple's system
software development, I don't see it becoming part of Apple's core system
software.
"When will System 7 support threads?"
It does support threads using the Thread Manager. Though System 7 does not
support pre-emptive multitasking, the Thread Manager does in a limited fashion
(no toolbox calls).
"Has there been much success with Dylan?"
I really don't know much about the cast of 90210 either, but I believe he just
finished some kind of rodeo movie and has been on a few of the late night talk
shows recently…
-Paul Cunningham
#163762-What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=163762, resolved parent_id points to #163762
David,
1) The two-non Apple dev. environments for C/C++ are Symantec's Think C and
Metrowerk's Code Warrior (the latter is brand new and is shipping a "developer
release", with free update to final version). They are very similar (many MW
developers used to work on Think C), but MW already has PowerPC code
generation. There are other langauges as well: look in this forum for notes
about SmallTalk Agents from QKS and Prograph CPX from Prograph International.
2) "PowerPC" is the name of the chip that the new Macs will use. It is the one
based on IBM's POWER architecture and fab'd by IBM and Motorola. To get PowerPC
code generation you can get Metrowerks now, wait till May or so for Symantec,
or spring for Apple's MPW and PowerPC SDK, available now, for a price.
3) I know nothing about Unix on the Mac (or most anywhere else, for that
matter). [But I'd be surprised if you could run AU/X _from_ a CD, I think it's
just shipped that way and then you load it onto a hard disk.]
4) The new Macs use the same ADB keyboards: the small compact one, the regular
extended one, and the rather larger "ergonomic" one. Check your local dealer
this week!
5) The OpenDoc SDK is not available yet. I have somehow managed to leave my
notes about OpenDoc at the office, perhaps someone else has dates or AppleLink
addresses for getting on their mailing list.
6,7) Taligent will never be incorporated into the present System 7, as Taligent
requires memory protection, better VM, threads/multiprocessing support, etc.
This does not mean that System 7 won't be updated to this level of support in
the future, but the dates for this are not at all encouraging (like late '95).
OTOH, parts of Taligent's technology are already shiping to their cusomers
(Apple, IBM, and now HP) and IBM looks to be the first to start shipping things
(low-level drivers) to customers, later this year. So Taligent seems to be
doing ok, but Apple's support for it on the Mac seems to be lagging (so what
else is new?)
8) Dylan is still in the works, not yet released. It has a new infix notation,
and Mike Lockwood, author of SourceBug, has worked on a framework built with it
(this is NOT a product announcement). Next word on what Apple may do with Dylan
would probably come out during their World Wide Developer's Conference (May).
The assumption is that they have a development environment for it (or are
working with a 3rd party to make one) but nothing's been seen yet.
BTW, AppleLink is Apple's electronic mail and bulletin board system (based on
GE's Information Services system) and has been around longer than the Mac. In
fact, it is being replaced this year (in stages) with a new setup called
e-World, built by Apple and based on America Online software.
Hope this fills in some gaps,
–John
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"2) "PowerPC" is the name of the chip that the new Macs will use. "
So this means that Apple _is_ migrating from 680×0 to PowerPC for all the new
Macs and by getting a PowerPC now, instead of a Quadra, I'll be ready for
future Apple endeavors?
Finally, I read today in one of the OS/2 magazines that Apple is readying a
version of System 7 for PowerPC and that all Mac apps can run on this PowerPC.
Is there an expected release date for the PowerPC and its System 7?
I called Apple to get literature on PowerPC, so I expect it in a few days.
thanks, dave
#163934-What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=163934, resolved parent_id points to #163934
Apple is most definitely migrating to the PowerPC. You can go buy one today, if
any are left. (My company got ahold of one at a MicroCenter Monday afternoon;
supposedly the last of its configuration in the store: model 7100 8/250). You
could still get a 68040 Quadra and then upgrade in a few months (2 or 3
options) if you want to sit out the initial period of waiting for native apps
to appear. It is likely that a year from now the only Macs Apple will be
selling will have PowerPC chips in them.
The PowerMacs run System Software version 7.1.2, and apart from a few minor
updates it is hard to distinguish from 7.1. Of course all the real work is
hidden under the interface.
If you go to a store, don't leave without playing with the "Graphing
Calculator" which is a native app that ships with the machine and really shows
off the PowerPC.
–John
#163934-#What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=163934, resolved parent_id points to #163934
>>Is there an expected release date for the PowerPC and its System 7?<<
You really are new to Mac development, aren't you?<g> (The Power Macintosh and
its System 7.1.2 were officially released Monday, with much attendant marketing
hoopla and hype [some of it even justified], along with a lot of
Intel/Microsoft generated FUD) You might want to look at the MacWEEK special
report on the Power Macintoshes, available in their forum over on Ziffnet [go
macweek] – quite good.
#164119-What's new with Mac??? — declared parent_msg_num=164119, resolved parent_id points to #164119
"You really are new to Mac development, aren't you?<g>"
Afraid so. I purchased a Mac IIcx when the ink was still wet on the
documentation. I used Macs, but didn't do any programming. I've been on the
Intel side with … Windoze. I miss Macs. I hope CompUSA has good sales on
Power Macs, Powerbooks, and Newtons. Santa may be delivering all year.
thanks, dave