A2386 Questions
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I'd like to find out the answers to a few questions about the A2386
Bridgeboard.
1) What hardware/software is recommended (or required) to run Windows
3.1? Can you give me some idea of the prices for the add-ons? If VGA
doesn't run on an interlaced display, does it work on a flicker-fixed
display? (I'm not clear on how the display works with the Amiga's.)
2) I assume a 5.25" floppy comes standard with the 2386. What's the
cheapest and easiest way to add an HD (1.44M) floppy disk? Can the 5.25"
disk be disconnected if it isn't needed?
3) Can MSDOS-6 (the version just out) run with the Bridgeboard?
4) Can other peripherals (Printer, Modem) be shared between the Amiga and
IBM-clone sides?
5) Is Janus 2.1 the latest version of software?
6) Do I get a prize if I'm the one-millionth person with the same
questions about the Bridgeboard? 🙂 Seriously, please point me to a
file to DL if it already answers some of these questions, or perhaps a
file should be uploaded if I'm only the 100th person to ask.
Thanks for any help you can provide. Apologies if there's already a
thread here with the same info.
*** jd
(You'll get lots of answers to your question. Here are mine.)
1. You should have a separate VGA card and you'll probably want to
get a switch box in order to switch back and forth from your PC and
Amiga display modes. Under no circumstances should you attempt to
run the BB from a partition on your Amiga drive. Buy a separate
controller and hard drive for the BB. An IDE controller with several
external ports is only about $20. (But get a SCSI if you later want
to add CD ROM.)
2. Nope. No drives come with it. You have to buy them. You CAN share
the Amiga drives, but that is a very poor and unsatisfactory option.
I have a 5 1/4" and a 3 1/2", but a lot of people just by two 3 1/2s.
3. I have DOS 6 running on mine with one relatively minor problem –
annoying, though. Others have reported serious problems, but I
suspect that these might have been caused by installing while having
a 3rd party memory manager or some sort of ram device active. DOS 6
appears to interfere w/the byte count as perceived by C='s startup
program. This being CI$, I'm sure someone will figure out a solution
and post it. (Don't count on C= for much BB support.)
4. Yep. Janus has a device for switching the printer device by
clicking on an icon. However, I've found that this program doesn't
work with my multi-port card, so I have a nifty little sensor device
set up with both printer cables running into it.
With a modem, as far as I know, you should decide on one or another.
I think you could possibly use a sensor device or switch box, but I
haven't tried it, because the mouse switching routine already makes
the COM ports a little screwy. (And Windows, itself, plays heck with
the COM ports.) At present, I'm still communicating from the Amiga
side, but I may switch to the PC side in order to be able to use
WinFAX Pro instead of GP FAX.
5. Yes.
6. No, it's too bad they don't collect threads and post them here the
way they do on some of the other forums, because everyone is always
asking questions. I ask a question (sometimes silly) about once every
two weeks, and always get an answer. There are some very patient, and
highly expert, participants in this forum.
Good luck. If you ordered the $200 BB, you're getting a super deal.
(I paid $550 Canadian for mine – and, at that time, the price was
about $200 cheaper than any other dealer in Edmonton.)
How can you say sharing the drives is a poor option….It works great,
unless you need a drive on both sides at the same time.
Nancy,
"Under no circumstances should you attempt to run the BB from a
partition on your Amiga hard drive."
Why not?.. I have been running the 32 meg virtual drive quite happily, I
know its not ideal but it does work.
Paul Lakey (UK)
Enjoying AutoPilot!
Yes, but what can you run with 32 meg? Why get a PC at all if you can't
run anything on it? (Well, to be perfectly frank, my "anything" expanded
from Windows and WP5.2 to include practically everything in the computer
store. I just went nuts when I discovered all that nifty available
applications software. And then there are the drawing programs… And the
fonts…)
Probably it's just a question of semantics.
PS – on my "absolute minimum" list, I forgot to say that, in order to run
Windows, one needs AT LEAST 4 meg of RAM. (I have 8.)
…..Nancy
In Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
Nancy,
I was just a little concerned that you may have given the impression
that the virtual drive did'nt work. I agree whole heartedly that a 32 meg
drive (virtual or REAL) is rather restrictive for a Windows machine.
I bought the BB as I had no idea about PC's at all, now I realize that I
need a 66Mhz486DX2 EISA with 250meg+HD :-(…..Oh the cost of
realization!!
Paul Lakey (UK)
Enjoying AutoPilot!
Nancy,
Thanks for your response. I had thought the BB was more or less
self-contained, but it's quickly becoming obvious that there are a number
of add-ons necessary to really get a productive setup. Let me summarize
the additional hardware you've indicated so far, and ask a few more
questions (footnotes are indicated in parentheses and prices are in US
Dollars):
VGA Board (1) (2) $50?
Monitor Switchbox 80?
IDE Adapter 20
Hard Drive (105M) (3) 185
1.44M Teac Floppy (4) 55
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$390
1 – Would I want a multifunction card? What other functions are included?
2 – I assume a "vanilla" VGA display is 480 x 600, though there are plenty
of other flavors. Does this kind of display require a multisync monitor
to share the display with the Amiga? I guess the IBM display that can
appear in a Workbench window isn't VGA.
It's beginning to sound like I'll want a Flicker-Fixer to improve my Amiga
display if such a monitor is needed. I don't have space for 2 monitors!
If so, do you have any recommendations for monitors?
3 – Would you recommend an HD bigger than 105M for a Windows setup? Can
I plan on using DOUBLESPACE (in MSDOS 6) to increase the capacity?
4 – Is there a floppy than can shared by both the BB and Ami?
I guess I have a lot of questions, but I hope others will find this
useful. Let me know when my limit is exceeded (but I *love* the new long
message length!). 🙂
*** jd
1. I would get at least a 1 meg VGA card, which are about $100 up here.
2. I don't know how much a switchbox would cost in the states. A tech here
made me one for about $50.
3. I got a combo IDE and multi-function card for about $20 Canadian. Mine
just has some extra ports – serial/parallel/joystick.
4. Hard drive: I had 105 meg, but after getting myself in trouble with
SuperStor Pro, I bought a 240 meg which cost about $500 Canadian, but
would be a whole lot cheaper down there – and it's full. (Or was, until I
installed DOS 6 and compressed it.) I had a "bit" of trouble w/DOS 6, as
you'll see from my other messages on here, but it got straightened out.
Someone posted a message that other BB owners had had trouble w/DOS 6 and
said that there were messages to that effect on the "other" network.
However, I looked over there, and there weren't any at all. I think you
can probably use it.
If I had it to do over again, I would have gotten the combination
VGA/multi-function/SCSI (at least I think it's SCSI) that's been talked
about on here. I have the message saved, but I can't access it right now.
Someone will respond and post the details. As a matter of fact, as soon as
the budget allows, I'm going to buy that card, because I need more slots.
(I also have a Logitech scanner installed.)
Windows needs at least 4 meg to run with any zip at all, and 8 are better.
I put in 4 originally, then went to 8 when I changed my hard drive.
Re the flicker fixer: I have Microway's, and have had it since it came
out. However, there is another display available – made in Canada – that
is much better. My daughter and son-in-law have it, and it's just super.
It costs about $50 more than the display card from C=.
I've had a multi-synch monitor right along – but upgraded recently to one
with a bigger display. (Mine is a Mitsubishi Diamond Scan 16, and it was
expensive – $1000 Canadian.) You can get some pretty hot deals
occasionally on these monitors. There were some reconditioned NEC's going
for about $200 sold by some firm in the South. A good place to find out
about these deals is in the Amiga forum of a certain other major
international telecommunications network which needs to be nameless here.
For some reason, the "hot deals" topics on that forum are very active.
I tried this floppy sharing business, but didn't like it at all because it
will only work on low density. So, I bought a 3 1/2 inch external and am
happy with it.
All this sounds pretty expensive, and, to tell the truth, I spent more
than I had initially planned to. However, I did not spend as much as I
would have for an equivalent PC. I'm really happy with it – and
particularly like the fact that I have the advantages of both (and certain
other advantages that come from having the combination) in the space of
one.
One real exciting thing happening in the PC world is that there are a lot
of very good deals now in applications software – competition is
terrifically hot. It will boggle your mind. For the occasional exceptional
deal, look in the Windows magazines – especially Windows user. There is a
place called Surplus Software that gives unbelievable bargains. I got
Adobe Illustrator for $99 and upgraded to the current version for the
shipping charges; Ami Pro for $89; and Microsoft Publisher for $79. I
notice they now have Norton Desktop for $59.
Have fun with your 2386 (otherwise known as the "money eater")
…..Nancy
From Edmonton, Alberta, Canada
EMC carries switchboxes, they are $18. And $9 a cable.
The multifunctionboard your speaking about is prob ours.
It has:
IDE controller
2 serial port
1 parallel port
1 game port
UVGA card with 1 meg……1280x1024x16, 1024x768x256, 640x480x32K
sorry no scsi….we do carry several combo sound/SCSI boards
Dave
Elite MicroComputers – Flying high on AutoPilot
John,
Nancy has answered most of your questions, just like to add that
you cannot use the Amiga serial port for a modem, you will have to add one
of those cheap and cheerful Multi I/O cards.
I use a 386BB with a SVGA card, multi I/O and a dedicated PC 1.44m
3.5inch floppy. It runs windows 3.1 and can even use WinCIM through multi
I/O card. I have the virtual 32meg HD set up on the Amiga HD, and 3 megs
Ram on the BB. I would say this is about a minimum setup for Windows
(leave out the I/O card if you dont need comms).
Dont forget that you will need a MultiSync (or S/VGA) monitor to attach
to the PC display card and a switch box of some sort to flick between
Amiga and PC display outputs.
Paul Lakey (UK)
Enjoying AutoPilot!