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No Way to De-Flicker ?

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#145068From: Jerry RockwellMay 11, 1994 11:29 PM
Well I'm stymied, Does anyone out there who has a 17" monitor similar to a Nanao 550iw have a good flicker type card to make it work. I had a perfectly good system for years and decided to upgrade. I had a Taxan 770 multiscan and FFV 1. I sold the Taxan for first a Viewsonic 17 and then the Nanao. The FFV 1 wouldn't work with either of them. Thought it was a bad FFV and got another FFV 1 from ICD. Nope same problem. Bought a FFVII from them which was adjustable somewhat and boom the AT&T chip on it fried in less than an hour. "Well that was the older model chip" so got another FFVII and it lasted for about 10 hours before it was hot enough to fry eggs on. So, I figured I'll just get a new 24 bit board, like the Retina, and display everything through it. Great, a bit expensive but it does seem to do the job. Only problem, and it is indeed a problem, I can't get the Toaster to run with it. Contacted Macrosystems. "Well the switcher display is not display compatible. Run the toaster first from your 1084 then run the Retina." Ok, did that toaster runs now but all the DV channels are locked. Is this really that big of a problem ? I'm really enjoying this Nanao 17" for the Windows side but am getting tired of doing backflips trying to get my Amiga up and running. Plus, now I am likely going to lose a customer who expects a tape mailed tomorrow after several delays already because of my hardware problems. I may buy my Taxan back and reinstall my FFV 1. Sinking with CBU fast, Rocky
#145248From: Bruce RobertsonMay 12, 1994 9:18 PM
What do you mean "all the DV channels are locked"? Except for that, do things work OK (considering)?
#145357From: Jerry RockwellMay 13, 1994 9:55 AM
Well, After booting up the toaster first, you can click on dv1 and then dv2 on either the Main or the Preview buss and the display will switch to whatever is in DV1 or DV2 or the Video input channel. Then after starting the Retina and switching back to the toaster, clicking on DV1,DV2 etc has no effect. Whatever was the last thing displayed on the monitor stays. You can no longer switch. Shutting down the Retina allows normal operation of the Toaster again. And all this is with no Workbench emulation by the Retina etc. Rocky
#145431From: Paul IdolMay 13, 1994 5:44 PM
>And all this is with no Workbench emulation by the Retina etc. What? I thought that was one of the Retina's strong points. Paul
#145577From: Jerry RockwellMay 14, 1994 7:39 AM
Yes the Retina does a very good job of the workbench but I was trying to disable it to get the toaster running. It was in fact the only way I could get the toaster to come up without a "unable to genlock" message. However, even with the workbench option disabled (that is just running programs on their own screens) I still am unable to use it with the toaster running. What they mean in all of the ads about it being compatible with the toaster I don't know. It must mean that their is no explosion when both boards are plugged into the same motherboard. Rocky
#145625From: Paul IdolMay 14, 1994 1:25 PM
Hummph. Have you asked MacroSystems directly? Paul
#145702From: Jerry RockwellMay 14, 1994 8:53 PM
Yes, Macrosystems is the one who told me I would have to shut it down to run the Switcher on the toaster. Rocky
#145755From: Paul IdolMay 15, 1994 2:15 AM
Did they explain what the hell they meant by Toaster compatability? This makes absolutely no sense! I guess you know that by now. ;^( Paul
#145823From: Jerry RockwellMay 15, 1994 8:42 AM
My sentiments exactly. Rocky
#145511From: Bruce RobertsonMay 13, 1994 11:31 PM
One problem with disabling the "normal" 1084 interface is that you deprive the Toaster of one of its main data feeds from the Amiga. The Amiga can only communicate with the Toaster with the video port and the parallel port; there is no direct (Zorro) bus interface. NewTek puts lots of control information in the vertical interval of the monitor video. And, when you start one of the complex wipes, the entire monitor video bandwidth is used for control information. So, what's this mean for the guy who wants to run some good clean monitor video out to a high-quality monitor? I don't think anyone has figured out a solution just yet. Most are opting for good multi-sync monitors and cringing while working in LW3D. ___ /__) ,_ _ _ _/__) / /__/ /_ /_-'
#145576From: Jerry RockwellMay 14, 1994 7:39 AM
Bruce, Thanks for the very technical info. I was trying to run the toaster just through it's standard video port. I thought that when I ctrl ctrl alt alt out of the Retina program I was running (my Editor) and the input switched over to my 1084 that I was complying with all that. Now Macrosystems tells me that no you are still running the display to the Retina so you will have to shut that down to go to the toaster. Hardly acceptable to me. I can't be quitting the editor while using the toaster. The retina is going back. I'm not much of an artist anyway. I was hoping to use it for toasterpaint cause I can't get used to all that scrolling around. Rocky
#145679From: Bruce RobertsonMay 14, 1994 6:15 PM
I understand InnoVision (Broadcast Titler II, MONTAGE) is coming out with a ToasterPaint replacement called Alpha Paint. You might want to check it out with them.
#145701From: Jerry RockwellMay 14, 1994 8:53 PM
Ok, Thanks Bruce. Rocky
#145860From: Ron LegroMay 15, 1994 2:15 PM
Isn't that what the SyncStrainer product is for? i.e., to make the Toaster more useable with a multisync? I don't have a Toaster but I just saw one of these gizmos in an Amiga store for about 50 bucks. It looked like a monitor adapter but the dealer set me straight. — Ron Legro / MILWAUKEE WI USA via Amiga Autopilot 1.72 — the only way to fly
#145914From: Bruce RobertsonMay 15, 1994 8:02 PM
The Sync Strainer re-generates the necessary H and V sync signals for multi-sync monitors. The monitors still must be able to sync down to an H rate of 15.7kHz. And even then, you will be looking at NTSC video, complete with interlace flicker if field 1 and field 2 are very different (as with LW3D). ___ /__) ,_ _ _ _/__) / /__/ /_ /_-'
#145528From: Paul ToalMay 14, 1994 12:51 AM
Didn't we do this once before 🙂 I wish I could help, I have the Nanao F550iw and it is a dandy. It works with a FFV I for me and my Toaster with no problems. Hope you get it nailed soon. –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#145575From: Jerry RockwellMay 14, 1994 7:39 AM
Paul, Hi just the man I needed to talk to . I couldn't remember who it was that had this combo. Yeah initially I had put up the problem of trying to use the FFV 1 with a Viewsonic 17 and came to the conclusion that I needed to switch and get the Nanao 550iw which you said worked for you. Well I had the same problem with the Nanao and the FFV 1. Got another FFv 1 from ICD and still no go. Then they sent me a FFV 2 because it was somewhat adjustable and it seemed to work. Then the FFV 2 's main At&t chip fried itself. Sent me another FFV 2 and it worked about a week before it fried too. I think there is a problem with my motherboard of power supply at this point. I am looking for a replacement now even to use as a spare for parts. Could you tell me exactly how you have your screen mode and overscan setup. Also I guess you have Multiscan picked as a monitor type. What do you run it on the Viewsonic. Have you tried 800 x 600 . Thanks, Rocky