CompuServe Thread

#2.01a Availability

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#31656From: Roger DanielsenJan 11, 1993 10:44 PM
Gary, As I mentioned to Kevin, trying to rely on the dealer network for competent support is becoming increasingly a more frustrating situation. How can you try to get support from someone who has never even used what you need support for? It appears they kept shoveling 2.01 out the door (wouldn't want to waste existing stock) and telling the naive dealers, "don't worry about it. Nobody'll notice the difference. Only power users use any of that stuff anyway." Gary, I get Autocad files defined by color on a regular basis. Why can't I get what I'm supposed to get? Moreover, why can't I get someone whose responsibility it is to get it right to answer that question? Gary, I very much enjoy this product. I've invested 10s of thousands of dollars in it and equipment to operate it. And my motivation is not to throw some poor programmer into a fit of depression, and cause him or her to not write any more software because their feelings are hurt. I sometimes wish you had just written this program for someone else who could distribute it. Well, Gary, I've got a project that I could have possibly justified some IPAS routines for. But obviously, it's going to take at least another 2 weeks to get what I should have gotten 2 weeks ago. So I guess I don't need any IPAS routines for this project, huh? This is a heck of a way to run a railroad. Roger D. P.S. Do you or anyone else know of an address where I can write Carol Bartz?
#31660From: Yost GroupJan 11, 1993 11:22 PM
Sorry Roger, but I don't make the support policies around here. They were in place long before I started at Adesk five years ago, and hopefully they'll get better. I've been lobbying heavily for more direct support for years, and that's why I spend over 10 hours a week answering questions on this forum when I could be spending time with my family after working the other 70+ hours on 3DS. I do what I can, and that's all I can do. And since I'm not perfect, things like the 2.01 mistakes happen. I take full responsibility for it, and we fixed the problems as soon as we found them. Regarding your import by color problem… for now, you can use your 3DS 2.00 version for DXF import, or the DXF3DS.EXE program. Those will both work fine. And if you email me your address and phone number, perhaps I can have someone call you directly about this. Getting back to dealers, they're all REQUIRED to send someone to Adesk for a week of training, so there's at least an effort made to see that there is a 3DS user on staff at each dealership. Finally, if you want to write _anyone_ at Autodesk, you should send the letter to their 2320 Marinship Way, Sausalito, CA 94965 address. – G
#31694From: Craig Sharp [Mem TM]Jan 12, 1993 10:03 AM
Roger and Gary: This conversation sounds alot like the comments I used to make on the Autodesk forum about 5 years ago… I had dealers that went bankrupt, dealers that lied to me, dealers that had no business selling calculator much less computers who were also selling AutoCAD to help them sell computers… In the 3DS world, not only do they get to sell computers but they get to sell video stuff! A situation frought with portent… What happened was that I spent more time on the forum, learned more about how to get to the bottom of something, and talked alot about people who don't know anything about automobiles that get their car serviced by an incompetent mechanic… it basically boils down to the fact that you are best off to become the resource you need to make your life in the computer world better… I tell my dealers what to do these days and I have found a few good ones that understand why I'm asking them to do something in a particular way but the search has been ongoing for many years. In my opinion, there is nothing that Autodesk can do about this that makes any sense whatsoever… and the issues are complex to say the least. At least on this forum you get to talk to real people instead of just leaving a message under a slot that already has a topic like the MicroSoft forum… sigh. C#
#31747From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Jan 12, 1993 6:12 PM
Craig, The major problem I see is that customers are simply too used to buying software at 45% of list and getting a 24-hour 800# for tech support from the mfg. The situation they are faced with in an AutoCAD or 3DS sale is completely foreign to thier experience and thus sometimes look "un-trustful" when the technical support issue is brought up with its associated costs. When a descent support offering (training, phone technical, etc..) runs 50% and more than the software costs … well … its something the average customer is just not used to. Ang PS … Looks like we'll have more than 40 people for the 1st USG meeting!!!