#ST:Voyager (non-Imagine)
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>> My whole point is the first year of all the recent Sci-fi TV shows tend to
have a lot of bugs their first year, but they seem to get worked out by the
next season. Sooner or later the shows actually build a following and people
tend to forget the turkeys at the begining. IMHO <<
Ok, I'll start watching it again next season.<VBG> You do make valid points.
Actually I didn't watch it a lot during the first season because I woked late a
lot then, but I have seen most of the shows through the reruns and I'd be lying
if I didn't say some of them did suck.<g>
-Sam J. Bowling
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…and I'd be lying if I didn't say some of them did suck.<g>
<<
Yes…BUT…overall the ensemble cast worked very nicely together and the
writing, though sometimes overwrought with drama, was usually pretty
interesting, and yes sometimes predictable. I am a huge ST:TGN fan and always
will be. The Movie left me a bit disappointed with its story. I thought they
could have done much better with a different script (as they had in the TV
series). As far as all the new sci-fi shows, my opinion on it is (since
everyone seems to be voicing them <g>) I don't watch any of the shows out now.
B5 had a cool pilot but never panned out for me…acting was just too bad.
Voyager I have never even watched, so I have no opinion to voice there. I even
watched Space Precinct (sp?) once…nope on that one. If I want to watch
excellent television I just turn on NYPD Blue. Not sci-fi but it is the
absolute best show on TV, IMHO. I think they should quit with all the new
ST:xxx shows. I never did like ST:DS9 and that is the main reason I don't
watch Voyager. Anyway…That's my two cents (or so <g>).
Darin
>>Yes…BUT…overall the ensemble cast worked very nicely together
<sigh> And I promissed I'd stay out of this thread. <g> Yes, the cast worked
great together, but only AFTER about the first season. During teh first season
the character development was not there. The actors portraying the roles
didn't have a sense of WHO they were playing. It was only after a lot of time
(episodes) that they started to click.
Picard was loud and distant, Troi was mechanical, Riker lacked a personality,
Data was a wind-up toy, Worf was a Klingon Nerd…the only one with something
going on were Chief O'Brien & LaForge. It wasn't until the actors felt
comfortable with each other, and with their roles that their social dynamic
came into play.
The same can be said for DS9, which I rarely watch now because I tape Voyager
which plays opposite it. And yes, I _LIKE_ Voyager.
My favorite of the lot is Babylon 5. I don't care what anyone says…it's
refreshing and IMO better than the idealistic tight-wearing star-fleet
do-gooders. <g> Don't get me wrong, I love ST, ST:TNG, VOYAGER, and to a
degree DS9. But B5 is a great departure from the sterile world that those
others have spun.
-GreG
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<sigh> And I promissed I'd stay out of this thread. <g> Yes, the cast worked
great together, but only AFTER about the first season.
<<
Yes, I had promised myself the same thing, but couldn't resist. <g> I must
agree with you that most of these shows (including ST:TNG) had a whimpy start.
The exception was B5 which I thought had a great first show and then when the
series started it was poor. I have not watched it recently but have heard that
it has gotten much better. My main problem is finding time to actually watch
TV. <sigh>
Darin
>> My favorite of the lot is Babylon 5. I don't care what anyone says…it's
refreshing and IMO better than the idealistic tight-wearing star-fleet
do-gooders. <g> Don't get me wrong, I love ST, ST:TNG, VOYAGER, and to a
degree DS9. But B5 is a great departure from the sterile world that those
others have spun. <<
That's one of the things that got me hooked on B5. It's different! It seems to
pick up where the last one left off. Every ST show is pretty much the same and
I may just be burnt out on that type of show. DS9 is getting better I liked the
last few shows, because the seem to be following each other like a real series.
The origional ST, TNG and Voyager are all pretty much the same thing. You could
watch them in just about any order and not get confused. One thing that really
bothers me about voyager is that the captain is always beaming down into these
dangerous situations with the OA team. I liked the way in TNG the first officer
was the one who went into the dangerous situations with the OA team and the
captain stayed on the ship and made the command decisions. I also must admit
that much of my memories are a bit fuzzy, because I don't watch TNG much any
more.
-Sam J. Bowling
(Gold Channel message — to all operatives — Section Leader finally sucked
into neverending Sci-Fi discussion — situation is proceeding according to
plan)
>> Yes, the cast worked great together, but only AFTER about the first season.
<<
That's what I was trying to say. Most successful SF TV shows in recent memory
have needed some time for actors, writers, directors to find and establish the
characters. I'm a huge ST:TNG fan, but only came aboard during season 2.
(Didn't watch season 1 due to principles) I loved the show, but cringed when I
saw some of those year-1 reruns! Worf's voice a half-octave higher, e.g. I'm
just suggesting that we give Voyager the same chance to mature.
>> My favorite of the lot is Babylon 5. <<
Mine too, and I never thought I'd ever find a space show to top a Star Trek
franchise! Babylon 5 gives me a reason to watch, every week, to witness the
intricate developments that give frightening glimpses of events to come. Year 1
was pretty much a throwaway, but character development shifted into overdrive
in year 2. We saw a washed-out, harmless buffoon turn into a ruthless force of
darkness, coldly advancing his agenda without any notion that he, in turn, is a
pawn to a larger entity. (Londo) We saw a cardboard character, whose sexy
appearance and telepathic abilities made her a convenient plot device, change
as her loyalty to the organization that raised and molded her from childhood
was being weakened by revelation after revelation. (Talia) We learned, at the
end of a seemingly harmless episode, that a character had been kept in the dark
(and didn't inform his colleagues) about his _real_ mission for 6 months.
(Sheridan) We witnessed the gradual transformation of a harmless aide into a
faithful companion and fierce collaborator. (Lennier) And best of all,
increased acting abilities have seemingly come out of nowhere and affected all
the actors.
Some of the episodes have had plot twists that have left me speechless. I've
seen roller-coaster rides, revelations, sinister foreshadowing, and intricate
plot development like I've never seen on any SF show. May sweeps are upon us;
it's a great opportunity for those of you who've been told again and again how
much the show has improved, to see for yourself.
Blaq!
>> And best of all, increased acting abilities have seemingly come out of
nowhere and affected all the actors.
Some of the episodes have had plot twists that have left me speechless. I've
seen roller-coaster rides, revelations, sinister foreshadowing, and intricate
plot development like I've never seen on any SF show. <<
The acting really got me. All of a sudden they could all act, and well. I find
my self not even caring if there is not a lot of computer animation anymore.<g>
-Sam J. Bowling
>> The acting really got me. All of a sudden they could all act, and well. I
find my self not even caring if there is not a lot of computer animation
anymore.<g><<
Hmm, I still think they need to turn down phong values a bit. <g>
-= Andrey =-
ZIPtag * Famous last words – Jesus Christ: Father, beam me up
>> Hmm, I still think they need to turn down phong values a bit. <g> <<
Yup, and darken it up a little. Way too bright.
-Sam J. Bowling
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Some of the episodes have had plot twists that have left me speechless. I've
seen roller-coaster rides, revelations, sinister foreshadowing, and intricate
plot development like I've never seen on any SF show.
<<
Blaq,
Great message and great synopsis of some of the characters on Babylon 5. I
feel the same way, It's one show that I make a point of watching. This second
season's plotline, plot-twists, and plotline jaw-droppers are incredible. I no
longer watch just to see the graphics, in fact, I rarely focus on them at all.
I find myself anxiouly awaiting to see where the story will go…it just keeps
getting better and better.
-GreG
>> Great message and great synopsis of some of the characters on Babylon 5. <<
Gee, thanks! <blush> Having strong feelings about something sure helps the ol'
Muses come out, dunnit?
>> I no longer watch just to see the graphics, in fact, I rarely focus on them
at all. <<
That's also been the great surprise in year 2: the show has become watchable,
so I don't tune in just to see the Lightwave graphics. (And by God, these space
battles are so intricate and flow so well!) In year 1, there was a quantum gap
between the then-stupendous CG (lens flare, wow) and the wooden characters. In
year 2, the animation now serves as a rich backdrop to help the story roll
along, and the writing & acting are now up to the same high standards; the
result is a seamless hour, with no brutal changes in quality level when the
animation comes on.
Babylon 5 used to be the Lens Flare Variety Hour; now, it's the most watchable
Sci-Fi show on TV.
Blaq!
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Babylon 5 used to be the Lens Flare Variety Hour; now, it's the most watchable
Sci-Fi show on TV.
<<
Well, it still is to some degree Blaq!, but I don't hold it against it as much
anymore. <g>
And yes, those battle scene's are beautifully choreographed.
-GreG
Charles,
Did you happen to catch the Babylon 5 episode on 5/7? I thought it was a great
way to tell the story this time – through the lens of a news camera. It was
unusual, to say the least, but it worked great.
-= Andrey =-
ZIPtag * Shell to DOS… come in DOS… Do you copy?
>> ZIPtag * Shell to DOS… come in DOS… Do you copy? <<
ROTF,L!!!!!!
Hahahahahaha…
-Sam J. Bowling