#Amiga's future
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> I believe that the MAC is slowly headed he way of our own beloved AMIGA…
This is an opinion I would like you to amplify with whatever hard facts you
have, as I just plunked down a few G's on a Macintosh Performa 6115CD. Also,
isn't the recent appearance of Apple clones a good sign for its longevity? I
realize I am in an Amiga forum here, but I trust no one would begrudge me a
little info on this.
Sean Hannon
Ad Rats – Stamford, CT
Sean,
A lot of people have been saying that the Mac is dying for years, but I've
been hearing from some friends in various areas of the computer industry say
that Apple's market share is slipping as more people go over to PCs.
Development is being done more for Windows programs than for Mac programs.
With the clones, it can swing either way. Apple, being the company that
they are, allowed for clones too late to make much good IMHO. The fact that
clones are now being able to be made can be good for end-users, but they are
still stuck to Apple for the MacOS and the Mac ROMS. Not too free for a
clone-based market.
But these are what I've heard and my own personal opinions.
// Christian – AP 1.80
\X/ Only Amiga Makes It Possible
Very Good Sean, don't fall for that all trick. There are a lot of non Amiga
users in here that are trying to get us to buy there computers. I fell for that
trick. I got a mac for X-mas for myself and find myself using this old amiga
500 more than my Mac. It sit there in my room from weeks without powering it
on. What is speed in a car if you can not steer it. The Amiga may be slow to
today standard but she turns on the dime. Hang in there, Amiga will come out of
this mess soon. There are million of use and the others computer company will
try anything for you to but there system. Have you wondered why it taking so
long for this mess to iron out? Rent the movie TUCKER. Its about a 1940 car
that was ahead of its time and the other car company derail it before it got
out into the market. Now replace that car with a 1990's Amiga. Do I have to
spell it. I hope that someone out there can see the writing on the wall. From
Serafin Tirado of the boogie down BRONX.
Amen, I will hang on to my A2000 until it wears out, and then I'll revive it. I
use it more than my 486DX2/66 and she still handles like a lady.
…Via autopilot and GVP 040/33. //
…Only Amiga makes it possible \\/
You keep on hanging to your A-2000. That is a very good machine. I am hang on
to my A-500 and A-1000. I use them both for my Business in designing Kisok
System. Oh by the way If any one out there knows what type of a Computer is in
a Kisok in Penn Station in NYC I'll be very thankfull.
Serafin Tirado From the Boogie Down BRONX
Not on Auto-Pilot.
Its probably an alpha system or sgi or an indy if its really fast who knoews
what they actually use cause a kiask computer can be anything as all they
usually use is a pc with a modem or ethernet link to an internet html page
>>There are million of use and the others computer company will try
>>anything for you to but there system.
WOW!! What a fantasy!!
As far as the computer industry was/is concerned, the Amiga was rendered
irrelevant in 1988 by bonehead management from the comedy duo of Irv and Ali.
A literature check will reveal the Amiga was barely ever mentioned after 1988
in any mainstream publication, and only in conjunction with NewTek in the more
specialized video professional magazines.
Basically, other platform users feel Amigans are loud-mouthed, bitching
cheapskates (and proud of it!) and the other computer companies could care less
about us. Your opinion of our importance to them is amusing but grossly
inaccurate. Our numbers and buying power would not even warrant a part-time
secretary to carry on this "propoganda campaign". Time to wake up and smell
the coffee, dude! As far as the state of general purpose computing is
concerned, we don't count.
wmc – via Autopilot!
(Amiga Was Rendered Irrelevant.) If it wasn't for the Amiga the other platform
would of been have in selling Computer with 16 colur Graphic cards. I can see
it now. A 486 with only 16 colors. But you have Small companys like commodore
that puts out a A500 with 4000 color the big boys has to speed up and put us
down for there computer to shine. Look like Window 95 looks like and acts like
Amiga Work bench 2.1 or 3.1. Speed is not every thing. Have you tryed D-paint
on a 486, well it's slow as the IRS giving out refunds. My Old A500 runs
D-paint faster.
Had Fun in IBM bashing, Let's do it again. The real fun come when you
go into there forum. Ther not to Friendly.
Serafin Tirado From the Boogie Down BRONX.
Not on Auto-Pilot.
a pentium 90 is better than any amiga anyday at everthing even using msdos and
windows and a 16bit sound card
You never used an Amiga have you? I have used PC's and Mac's and can't beleive
people pay money for such a hard system to use. Considering that my 4000 is
clocked at 25 and not 90 like your Pentium and can move graphics just as
fast,It would be nice to see my outdated,slow clocked, poorly designed( memory
wise) with a 68060 clocked at 1/2 your speed with direct access to memory with
it's built in sound and graphics sitting next to your pentium with its video
card and sound card running 1 program, at the same time mine runs as many as I
have memory for.
// Gary B. Flying High From Oxnard,California
\\//On AutoPilot 1.80..With my 4000 and Emplanted MAC & PC
OxSnot? I'm just up the road in Santa Barbaria. (I have a tough time with the
other name after a childhood of threats to be punched/kicked in the 'nards'.
;^}
wmc – via Autopilot!
Well, I'm just down the road from you, being in Ventura myself.
// Christian – AP 1.80
\X/ Only Amiga Makes It Possible
Hey Chris,
Do you know anything about this "Virtual World" thats supposed to be in
Ventura. I heard and ad for it on the radio once but didn't catch the
location. Never heard anymore about it, but I'm kinda interested in checking
it out if it still exists.
wmc – via Autopilot!
Wayne,
Virtual World? I've never heard of that, but I just moved here last December.
Anyways, the only virtual things that I've heard about is the LazerStar game
arena in Oxnard, just of the 101.
// Christian – AP 1.80
\X/ Only Amiga Makes It Possible
Chris,
Thanks – maybe thats what the ad was for. Have to check it out…
wmc – via Autopilot!
There's another "VR Arcade" place that just opened up in "Old Pasadena" on
Colorado Blvd.
/ / / //ANDRE
hahahahahahahahahhahahahahhahahahahahahahah
🙂
TP
i do own a 1200 but still think a p90 is still better i saw the a4000 a3000
inaction at thelast nyc commodore show.the 3000 amazed me more than the 4000
did.
I don't know much about Pentiums, but at work I use a 486DX-2 66MHz machine
with CD-ROM and 16M RAM. Today I stayed a bit late trying a CD of game demos
and shareware given away with a magazine. Hardly anything on it would work. A
lot of the software complained I didn't have enought memory, OK I have 16MBytes
but just loading the drivers for the CD drive takes too much of the magic first
640k that the programs insist on using. Some of it just crashed, maybe for the
same reason, who knows. I have found my Amiga much more reliable and easy to
use than this.
Peter Wade
Autopiloting from London, England
my guess you don't have the persevearance of using 386max.if memory is such a
problem,why not get pcdos version 7 it uses less than msdos6.22,and includes
better programs
Maybe if I had one of these machines at home I would be able to sort out the
problems. It isn't really practical to experiment with memory managers or
different OS versions on the machine at work since if anything goes wrong our
PC support section will blame it all on the 'not company standard' stuff, and I
have enough problems with the network already.
Peter Wade
Autopiloting from London, England
way to go for the jugular! pc pootbuts are proof positive of p.t.barnum's
prophetic proclamation!
some of those "new" graphics programs for pcs sure do look
familiar
(except for the OUTRAGEOUS prices).i have a 500 and an nec ready 466m i bought
through my job.the only thing my pc is ready to do is suck my bank account
dry if and when i upgrade.oh,and it does play a mean game of solitaire?
keep kickin,
jett
watch out for that(!!!)treeeeeeeee…
Apple cloning: Apple waited 2 years too long for this to really help much.
Talligent: Too little too late; NT has rendered a serious market for this moot.
It will be a neat technical acheivment and curiosity, but its market window has
closed.
Apple developer flight. Even the venerable Avid media composer is now
available for Windows, not to mention photo shop, a couple of the few
compelling applications that would make one buy a Mac (remember, its not the
machine that counts, its what you can do with it).
Microsloth has targetted the Mac and SGI to be killed in the video/multi-media
arena as witnessed by its recent acquisition of soft image, liasons with
Hollywood, buy-in with Dreamworks, etc. Since they have the resources to kill
the government in an anti trust suite, they will be able to eat Apple for
desert whenever they are ready (and it looks like they are getting hungry).
Apple's world-wide market share has fallen to around 7.5%. They are, in a way,
admitting defeat and fighting to survive by providing Windows and NT
compatibility solutions with some of the machines they sell.
But, don't worry about your investment. Apple and developers will probably be
around for another 7 -10 years.
wmc – via Autopilot!
Thanks for the Big Picture, Wayne.
Fortunately, the Mac investment was made with home applications exclusively in
mind ( Quicken for our financial management, entertainment & education software
for the kids.) I have no need of it in any of the larger DTP or DTV arenas. I
did, however, order Light Rom and the Texture Gallery, with the idea of using
the Mac's CD to give me access to these materials.
I have to add as an aside, and I know this will rankle a few reading this here,
that when I started exploring the Mac system (ver 7.1 I think) and the bundled
programs that came with it, I was majorly impressed with how much THOUGHT and
DEVELOPMENT was focussed into making things easy for the first time user! The
online help, going beyond little hypertext pop-up explanations, but actually
leading you through interactive demonstrations, was like a refreshing massage.
I remember using a third party program for the Amiga called DeluxeHelp for
DPaint, which was a series of real-time mouse recorded tutorials. It did its
demonstration, and then it would leave you in Dpaint to try what you just saw.
But the INTERACTIVE help system I encountered in the Mac is exactly the kind of
bridge needed to bring non-computer users into computerland.
My reaction to it is probably an accumulative effect as well, with the last
several months with my treasured Amiga being about harddrive crashes, dwindling
support, and the really annoying trickle of thalimide baby software like
PageStream 3…
Sean Hannon
Ad Rats – Stamford, CT
What can I say about tutorials other than I can tek them or leave them. It's
just a waste of HD space.
…Via autopilot and GVP 040/33. //
…Only Amiga makes it possible \\/
Sean,
Your right about the ease of use thing – in fact they made is so easy to use
that most Mac Heads don't even know about underlying things like forks, dos
copy, and some other stuff I ran into just trying to get stuff back and forth
from Amiga to Mac. That's not a bad point, mind you, except if you ar trying
to move material between macs and anything else.
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