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#3D-Studio needs AutoCAD?

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#106788From: James M. MurphyJun 9, 1994 9:59 PM
Mark I'm not 100% sure but I think you have to be a _Full-time_ student to get a student version of 3D Studio. Another point… if your "Student" Version is being used for Production work.. it's WRONG! You can do what you want with your student version for your own purpurposes but If you want to dispense advice you should be a bit more selective about how Technically Correct/Proper it is. Yes the Student versions are a good Deal. Yes Autodesk would like to help students learn all about 3D Studio. But You have to Grow up and accept the Responsibility's the rest of the 3DS community at large has to live with. Your former statement Also tells me your not consistant…didn't you just just cynicly make a comment to Jeff about his statement regarding a lost manual???? It's my understanding that Jeff Did Really Misplace his manual and was perhaps a bit anxious to get his system up and running so he asked autodesk about a replacement. You said something like "Ya' _that's_ a Good One!"….<g>. My question to you would be> Since your a Student and own a Student Version of 3D Studio have you ever used it to make any money??? If you have…I suggest that your on pretty shakey ground… I also suggest you get a full blown UpGradable Resale Version of 3D Studio because your Student Version is NOT upgradable and If I were your dealer I'd be less inclined to give you the best possible price knowing that your making money with a "Student" Version thereby Unfairly competing with my clients that are trying to do the same thing with copies they paid "Regular" Prices for. Think about it…your really not winning any freinds here. <g> This is my Personal Opinion so Take it for what it's worth. I Just Don't Appreciate your particular kind of Advice to someone who Has allready announced he is planning on using 3D Studio for Commercial Purposes. I'll go away now. Murph'
#106798From: Gary K. SimJun 9, 1994 10:59 PM
Amen., personal opinion times two…
#106799From: Jonas Ruikis [ADESK]Jun 9, 1994 11:00 PM
James, << ….views on student pricing…. >> I believe you have a very good understanding of Autodesk's intent on their student pricing policy. jonas[adesk]
#106842From: James M. MurphyJun 10, 1994 3:08 AM
Thank you Jonas, for confirming that. <g> Murph'
#106819From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Jun 10, 1994 12:44 AM
James: I don't really like how Autodesk has handled the student version of 3DS, but I can't fault people for taking advantage of it. If GM were to offer Corvettes for $1,000 to students, I'd matriculate in an instant. <G> As far as I know, there is no prohibition against using a student version of 3DS for production work. At least, the Education folks at Autodesk say there it is OK. Maybe this is a thread for the dealer section? Evan
#106938From: James M. MurphyJun 10, 1994 12:52 PM
Evan, I deceided to get a good nights sleep before I answered this. I DL'd your message about 3AM. If I understand what your saying… Your agreeing with me…………………………….KeeeerrrrrrWHAM! <g>. Excuse me while I pick myself up off the floor <g>. Regarding your Statement: >>>As far as I know, there is no prohibition against using a student version of 3DS for production work. At least, the Education folks at Autodesk say there it is OK.<<< If the Educational Folks are saying that… I would like you to get me specific Names because I think somebody needs a good "Jacking UP"<g>. As you know I'm not too particularly fond of a certain person in that department that like's to talk down to people through her teeth….Kinda reminds me of "Golum" in the Hobbit. <BG> Did you happen to catch Jonas's Reply to me? >>>I believe you have a very good understanding of Autodesk's intent on their student pricing policy. jonas[adesk] <<< He mentions "Intent". That was a response to my stating, among other things: >>.. if your "Student" Version is being used for Production work.. it's WRONG!<< >>Yes the Student versions are a good Deal. Yes Autodesk would like to help students learn all about 3D Studio. But You have to Grow up and accept the Responsibility's the rest of the 3DS community at large has to live with.<< So coming back to your statement: >>>there is no prohibition against using a student version of 3DS for production work.<<< Whether or not the actual language is worded this way in the Student License copys, I beleive the _Intent_ is Very Clear. I hope that makes sense to you. Murph'
#107103From: mark schneiderJun 11, 1994 10:08 AM
Hi James, yup, I agree with you, here in Montreal, if you get a student version you are not expected to make money with it. But then again, if you go ahead and start making money, you are taking a chance, if a disgruntled customer gets wind you are using a student version, well, hey that is chance they took, and they'll pay for it!, if you are making money, it is a big mistake to use a student version, you cheat, be willing to pay the price. I guess it depends on the honesty of people using it. Oh well, just my 2 cents worth, minus 39.7% ( U.S. exchange) geez, that doesn't leave much does it! … ouch! Mark from Montreal.
#107166From: James M. MurphyJun 11, 1994 4:15 PM
Can't even get a bottle O' MooseHead for Dat'. Bunch a Hoser's Heh! James (Married to Michiganer) Murphy Idem Note: For those of you not familier with they Upper Peninsula of Michigan, ( Hence "Michiganer") It's Directly North of Wisconsin on the Canadian side as it were. Persons From the "U.P." as it is often referred to, are almost indistinguisable from Canadians, I've even been mistaken for a Canuk' many times whilst visiting the Left Coast and South of the Masson Dixon Line. <g> The preverbeal Ya' Hey! Murph'
#107755From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Jun 14, 1994 11:23 PM
From the U.P., hey? Are you folks still lobbying to make the U.P. its own state? I am from Kalamazoo, MI. Maybe we could meet half-way the next time I go to Macinac Island for vacation! Will you be at Siggraph? — James — MAP —
#107778From: James M. MurphyJun 15, 1994 12:40 AM
James! >>>> Macinac Island for vacation!<<<<< " Macinac Fuuuuuudddddgggggeeeeee..Ahhhh…mmmmmm…drooolllllll..drip, drip…Gaaaaaaa….." [ Homer Simpson Style ] <BG> >> Will you be at Siggraph? << Yes! I'll be hanging out with my Best Half at the Autodesk Booth the morning of the 27th….Uh….Later I think Kevin and I are going to try and throw each other in the pool or do some sort of macho bonding thing…I'm not sure, but we'll see! <R&D BG> >> still lobbying to make the U.P. its own state? << Hey James! Gotta really watch these "Controversial" Subjects!! The Uppers take this Veeeeerrry Seriously! <g> That… and the second week of Deer Camp! Murph'
#107928From: James Coulter[Mindscape]Jun 15, 1994 4:55 PM
>> Yes! I'll be hanging out with my Best Half at the Autodesk Booth << Great! I will be stalking Expo Badges with familiar ASOFT names. I will look for yours! >> Gotta really watch these "Controversial" Subjects!! << Well, I never get over the bridge much, so I get behind on these things! I hope you do not try to drown me at the pool! 🙂 — James — MAP —
#108022From: James M. MurphyJun 16, 1994 1:55 AM
James, Regarding the "Pool" actually ever since I saw a bunch of Guys throw Philip Kahn in wearing a full Tux I thought it'd be a Hoot. Of course I guess it depends on who actually OWNS the Tux….<g>. Let's see now… I suggested that at least 3 or 4 forum members take the plunge..that means.. _I_.. probably better have my wife pack an extra dry pair of shorts and an appropriate T-Shirt at all times, cause I might just get ambushed. <g> I'll Be looking for you! Murph'
#107335From: Evan Yares [WeirdTM]Jun 13, 1994 12:26 AM
Before I jump on my trusty steed and tilt the windmills, I'd better double check my sources. I was told at one point that there was no constraint on commercial use of 3DS/Educational — but that may have changed. I agree that the educational program has good intentions, but you know what they say about good intentions…
#107561From: James M. MurphyJun 14, 1994 12:25 AM
Evan, Good Intentions…..I've always thought I should do an Animation based on that theme..the only thing that kept me from doing so is that I couldn't afford to hire Weird Al To do the Pair-o-deee….I beleive it's legal to Parady popular Known songs. In this case it would be a take off on "Good Vibrations"…. Substituting "Good Intentions" and doing a lot of Hell-Fire Situations…Uh….Anybody got the Phone Number for Weird Al??? Murph'
#108100From: mark schneiderJun 16, 1994 11:00 AM
WeirD Al : 1-800-Looking-4-Work!
#108187From: James M. MurphyJun 16, 1994 8:59 PM
"Nawwwww! I mean the Reeeeeaall Number!!" (Real Whiney like UHF)<g> Murph'