Problem splicing
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Dave,
answers to a couple of your questions
<<no HIMEM or EMM386 being used (for now), right?>> Wrong <G> I have
HIMEM/EMM386 installed. I have Qemm 386 (Don't know what version) that I can
install. Memory management is not my long suit by any stretch of the
imagination. I don' t know how to remove the HIGHMEM and EMM386 but will
study the reference material I have. Do you want me to install the QEMM then?
>> << do you have a CDROM installed?>> Yes <<
<brand and model?> Sony CDU33A
>> <<what video card are you using>> Artist Graphics XJ1000 <<
<<do you have a spare standard SVGA card around anywheres? do you have the VESA
drivers for it? a quick swap out might tell us instantly if this is a
graphics/memory-related problem.>> I have an Orchid Pro Designer II in a
486/66 but only have 16 Megs of RAM in it and I would have to load AniPro into
it. (which I will gladly do if you think this will help solve this)
<< also (just so's i can say i asked) have you contacted Artist and asked them
about this weirdness and handed them the symptoms? do they have new drivers for
it and any clues?>> No, but I will do so tomorrow
<<any other drivers supplied for this card including VESA or non ADI?>> I don't
think so. I configured my present setup with the telephoned instructions from
Artists…so I don't know if there are alternate drivers available
<<does the program seem to behave itself when the first flic is manipulated
only (try busting the first flic into 2 using flic/segment), save out as
separate files, then join them back together…>> This worked well
<< bust the second flic in half, save out as two separat files and join first
to first flic>> This also worked
<<, then second… we'll see if its a flic size thing.>> This did not work..the
computer locked up
I guess it is a memory thing….please tell me what you want me to do next.
Paul
>> <<no HIMEM or EMM386 being used (for now), right?>> Wrong <G> I have
HIMEM/EMM386 installed. I have Qemm 386 (Don't know what version) that I can
install. Memory management is not my long suit by any stretch of the
imagination. I don' t know how to remove the HIGHMEM and EMM386 but will
study the reference material I have. Do you want me to install the QEMM then?
<<
Paul, i thought you told me that files, buffers and shell statement were the
only three lines in your CONFIG.SYS file. <ggg> put "rem" statements infront of
any "device" lines in CONFIG.SYS. no system memory management allowed as we try
to figure this out. let me know if ANI behaves after nullifying them out.
something like:
rem device=c:\dos\himem.sys
rem device=c:\dos\emm386.exe
>> >> << do you have a CDROM installed?>> Yes << <brand and model?> Sony
CDU33A <<
rem any drivers for it out too. we'll get it back in there eventually, but
right now we might have a memory conflict from C000-DFFF.
>> graphics/memory-related problem.>> I have an Orchid Pro Designer II in a
486/66 but only have 16 Megs of RAM in it and I would have to load AniPro into
it. (which I will gladly do if you think this will help solve this) <<
kewl. put the Orchid into the P5, load the Orchid VESA drivers (let me know if
you need them, we'll point the way) and see if problem resolves when set to
same resolution as flics. if it does, we can start working on Artist options.
if it still locks up, we can assume the problem is related to something else.
sleuthing is working from bare bones up to full config. the process is tedious,
but it works. 😉
let me know if Artist suspects anything. be sure to hang on dearly to your
original system file configuration files as we strip them down for analysis.
>> <<does the program seem to behave itself when the first flic is manipulated
only (try busting the first flic into 2 using flic/segment), save out as
separate files, then join them back together…>> This worked well << bust the
second flic in half, save out as two separat files and join first to first
flic>> This also worked <<, then second… we'll see if its a flic size
thing.>> This did not work..the computer locked up <<
so you were able to join "half" of the second flic to the entire first, but not
the full second flic. sounds like a memory conflict alright. believe it or not,
this is a good sign.
Orchid SVGA will tell us much also. so will "rem" out memory managers QEMM,
EMM386 and HIMEM. let me know if things behave with these alterations. we're
actually getting very close.
-dave
Hi Dave
I have just finished talking to Artist Graphics….We changed to a VESA driver
(written by the Yost Group, according to Artist) at 640X480 (same as the
flics). During the Preview phase the animation paused at the end of flic A,
there was a flash of colors then the Please Wait….. message, jumped to last
frame of flic B and then to frame 1 of flic A. I started to Render and got the
message:
Moving C:\PAAT /AATEMP.FLC
size 21583536 free 28017493
After it finished(Returned to frame 1 of flic A) I attempted to play it
back….the computer did not lock up instead I got the message:
Abnormal program termination: Memory protection fault
CS: EIP=000CH : 00052ACDh
and returned to the directory prompt.
I tried it a second time and the same thing happened except the message ended
with 0003F480h.
Config.Sys had all the Devices etc. REM'd
Artists Graphics said this proves that it is not the card and recommended that
I not change to the Orchid for trial but that the problem lies elswhere.
What now, Doctor??? Again, let me thank you for staying with me on this!!!!
Paul "Is this any way to spend one's time" Soderberg
BTW where do you call home? I'm CST (near Houston)
>> Artists Graphics said this proves that it is not the card and recommended
that I not change to the Orchid for trial but that the problem lies elswhere.
<<
no fingerpointing intended here, pull the Artist out anyways and put the Orchid
in and let's see if she cruises. it can't hurt. if she doesn't, we can move on
to non-graphics card related options.
>> What now, Doctor??? Again, let me thank you for staying with me on this!!!!
<<
sorry this is taking so long. feel free to post me your phone in email too if
you like, we can try a few other things AFTER the orchid tryout. <g>
>> Paul "Is this any way to spend one's time" Soderberg BTW where do you call
home? I'm CST (near Houston) <<
<g> originally from Seattle area, now in Reno. -dave
Dave,
finally got artist card switched with Orchid…obtained VESA driver from
Orchid, loaded AniPro etc….same results!!! Sheesh…What now?!?!
I'm E-Mailing youmy "phone number….please call collect if you decide to call
Thanks.
Paul
>> finally got artist card switched with Orchid…obtained VESA driver from
Orchid, loaded AniPro etc….same results!!! Sheesh…What now?!?! <<
well, its on to other possible conflicts.
>> I'm E-Mailing youmy "phone number….please call collect if you decide to
call <<
you bet. i'll be watching my email for it. when we get a solution, i'll also
post it for benefit of all here. -dave
Dave,
Everything is working very well now. I activated my old Config.Sys with the
Himem, EMM386, CDRom, DblSpace etc. and have joined two more segments onto my
Flic. I am doing one segment per day (Render in 3DS4 at night and do the
AniPro thing in the morning). Will wait until I'm finished before I try the
one pallet program.
Thank you again for all of your help…I hope I have the chance to someday
repay your kindness.
Paul
>> Everything is working very well now. I activated my old Config.Sys
with the Himem, EMM386, CDRom, DblSpace etc. and have joined two more
segments onto my Flic. I am doing one segment per day (Render in
3DS4 at night and do the AniPro thing in the morning). Will wait
until I'm finished before I try the one pallet program. <<
wonderful news, Paul! it was fun meeting you on the phone too, always
a surprise putting a voice to a post. 🙂 sometimes it takes busting a
problem down into small pieces to figure it out. i usually suspect
system configurations, drivers, memory conflicts and such before i
suspect flic file corruption too… cybersleuthing is an art! <g>
>> Thank you again for all of your help…I hope I have the chance to
someday repay your kindness. <<
my pleasure. we're here practically every day if we can be of further
assistance. for fun, check out the telecourses on Animator Pro usage
in Library 14… lots of good stuff in there. good golfing weather
here today.
Dave, Paul
You're keeping us all in suspense. How did your problem go away.
It wasnt the Orchid Card or the other card, what was it?
Sorry Mark…the problem was apparently a corruption of the animation
files in 3DS4. When these files were converted to GIFs, then back
to FLCs in AniPro it corrected the problem. The Flic is now 80 Megs
in size and growing. 🙂
>> You're keeping us all in suspense. How did your problem go away. It wasnt
the Orchid Card or the other card, what was it? <<
it was… too … ugly… to post here. <gasp> <wheeze>… Paul and i…
barely… survived the… <wheeze> … ordeal…. you … don't want… to
know… <g>
actually, after we tried several things and found the problem to be "local"
during the join process, i began to suspect file corruption, so i had Paul bust
up his two flics into halves, then use NUMPIC to output the flic to individual
GIFs… then reassemble them all for full FLC integrity. bingo.
-dave
Thanks,
Good to see the problems solved. Keep us informed.