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#Do U Like your DeskJet?

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#86085From: John DublerJan 22, 1993 9:51 AM
After watching laser printer prices dropping (but not far enough) the last few years, I'm thinking of taking the Deskjet plunge. I don't know if some threads have already been written on the subject of the Amiga's drivers and the DJ, but I'd like to find out how well the printer works with the Amiga. I'm mostly using ProWrite and PPage and hoping to see excellent output. Any comments about the speed, quality, compatibility, etc. on the Deskjet would be MUCH appreciated. (BTW, are any special cables required?) *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86087From: New Horizons SoftwareJan 22, 1993 11:24 AM
John, What version of the operating system will you be using? Under the 2.0 and later versions of the OS the outline font support will allow you to get exceptional output. Under the 1.2 and 1.3 versions of the OS high quality printing would be limited to double the screen density. With the exception of the A1000 the deskjet works with normal industry standard cables and gives you a choice of ports, though the parallel port is much preferred. Also which model of the DeskJet are you considering. The 500C and 550C both have special issues regarding drivers primarily associated with the way color support has been implemented. Hope this helps. Randy Brooks New Horizons Software, Inc.
#86490From: John DublerJan 26, 1993 7:36 AM
Randy, I'm running ADOS 2.04 only (haven't gotten the upgrade at this point). At this point, I'm mainly considering the b/w 500, not one of the color models. Is the best b/w DeskJet 500 driver on one of the 2.04 disks? Thanks for your help… *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86497From: Pete MilesJan 26, 1993 9:23 AM
John, See if you can get hold of a driver called SG_HewlettPackard by a Swedish bloke but can't remember his name. Anyway, it got rid of the A4 paper printing problem if you use A4 that is. Seemed a better driver than those available from C= at the time. If you want this driver let me know and I'll upload it. Pete from Dorset in Englands West Country – via Whap!
#86823From: John DublerJan 29, 1993 8:45 AM
Pete, Thanks for the offer, but I'm doing practically all my printing on US Letter… *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86522From: Dave ArreJan 26, 1993 2:07 PM
John, I just bought the 500C the other day, and have run some tests with it using the C= "beta test" 500C driver that is in the Data Libraries here. For what I have done with it, I have been rather impressed by its output, although I think that the paper I bought for it (Xerox 4200 20lb copy paper) is not the ideal type to use, but it was 500 sheets for $3! ..<g> When printing color graphics, the 500C makes black by combining the three ink colors (magenta, cyan, yellow) and this results in a dark greenish-grey tone, that is not pure black, but close. Aside from paper absorption of the ink on the Xerox paper, which results in a small amount of "smudge" along the fibers of the paper, visible if you look at the page from a distance of 6" or less, the B&W output of the printer is very sharp, nearly laser quality. I have not used the correct paper reccomended yet (a sample of which is included in the box), but I have seen printouts made with this paper using the 500 / 500C and you would be hard-pressed to distinguish it from a laser printer. Color performance is surprizingly good on the cheap paper, but for really vibrant colors (and lack of paper saturation) it is best to go with the clay-coated paper. In addition, the "Draft" quality mode of this printer is better than most dot-matrix printer's "NLQ" modes, so I intend to use the "draft" mode for most text uses, not to mention the fact that it saves ink. I think that for the price it is currently selling for (about $499) the 500C is an excellent value. The 550C is nice, but it is over $750, and for that price, you can get a laser printer, is you can live without the color. I wanted a general-purpose printer that offered laser-quality text and graphics, and the 500C adds the bonus of color (the machine CAN do color and BLACK text on the same page — it will prompt you to change the cartridge) for a small price. I'm happy I got it. — Dave <continued>
#86625From: Steve AhlstromJan 27, 1993 1:07 PM
Dave, About a month ago I got a 550C from BizMart. The price was $750 — the 500C was selling for $399. I went with the 550C because of the greenish blacks given by the 500C (when using the color cart). The reason I didn't go with a laser is because if I were to get a laser it _must_ have postscript. The NEC 95 was about twice the price. At $399 for the 500C or $750 for the 550C I can't think of anything else you could get at 4-5 times the price that would give you better quality output. -sja
#86945From: John DublerJan 30, 1993 12:29 PM
Steve, $399 for the 500C? Am I reading correctly? The PC rags here in LA have been listing the printer for $499 and the 500 for $350 as the best prices, and I thought they were a pretty good indication! Where are you and BizMart located? *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86946From: Steve AhlstromJan 30, 1993 12:38 PM
John, I'm in Denver — BizMart is a national chain, recently purchased by K-Mart. They carry clones, Macs, and HP printers.
#87052From: John DublerJan 31, 1993 1:27 PM
Steve, Thanks. I don't see any listings in Southern CA, I wonder if BizMart does mailorder? *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86523From: Dave ArreJan 26, 1993 2:07 PM
#86594From: Nancy DevittJan 27, 1993 3:19 AM
One thing – for just about every aspect of your computer's operation, it's important to get the upgrade. Everything seems faster to me…..Nancy
#86824From: John DublerJan 29, 1993 8:45 AM
Nancy, I assume you're talking about the ADOS 2.1 upgrade. You feel it makes everything run faster? What kind of machine are you running on, and what operations are most noticeably faster? *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86681From: Karl SparklinJan 27, 1993 9:58 PM
John, I bought the 550C locally for $699 (it's dropped to $675 recently) and love it, even though my 500C driver still makes blacks by combining all three colors. I'm still waiting for a better PD driver to appear, but isn't stopping me from really enjoying this printer! Karl
#86830From: New Horizons SoftwareJan 29, 1993 10:39 AM
John, The 2.0 driver will work fine for the BW DeskJet. Randy Brooks New Horizons Software, Inc.
#86143From: Jay TruesdaleJan 22, 1993 9:06 PM
I own a deskjet 500 printer that I am very happy with. You have to decide what you want out of a printer to decide if it is the right one for YOUR needs – which may be different than mine. I already had a fairly quick dot matrix for high volume draft documents and program listings, etc. I wanted another printer for good quality low volume output volume but could not justify the costs of a laser printer (both initial and the costs of consumables) for my needs. (Actually according to a printer review I read when I was look for a new printer, the cost per page is a bit higher for the DeskJet than for a laser printer. Since I only produce low volumes of output I figured the cost savings between a laser printer and the deskjet would buy a LOT of ink cartridges!) For informational purposes, I'd suggest checking out the printer review issues of PC Magazine at your local library. The choice of paper used is the most important factor in how good the output will look. No matter what paper I use, if you look REAL close you can see some minor bleeding of the ink into the paper. Now I am being ULTRA picky here, but I want my resume to be perfect! For everything except resumes I am very satisfied with my DJ 500. Note that you are not supposed to use laser printer labels in the deskjet. It does feed business-sized envelopes but note that it has a minimum 1/2 inch left margin. This is OK if you are using pre-printed stationary that already has a return address but not so OK if you want to print your own return address. Personally I just live with the annoying 1/2" of whitespace. A laser printer can typically feed envelopes length wise so this is not an issue for them. I don't make much use of the built-in fonts, preferring the excellent soft fonts that come with Final Copy. The printer is very quiet when in operation which is nice. It is not a fast printer but in my case I have a dot matrix for fast output. I recall that I paid close to $400 for my DJ500 several years ago. Today <continued>
#86144From: Jay TruesdaleJan 22, 1993 9:06 PM
however, I would give serious consideration to saving longer and purchasing a low-end laser printer. Good Luck! -J
#86202From: Don BrownJan 23, 1993 9:50 AM
One of the replys to your message about the DeskJet said you are not supposed to use laser printer labels. I was not aware of that. I often use Avery Laser Printer Labels 5160 (a sheet with 30 1" by 2 5/8" labels). In fact it says right on the cover of the box "Runs in HP DeskJet too!" Don …via AutoPilot
#86205From: BILL LEACHJan 23, 1993 10:23 AM
John; Jay's comments on your question are very good. I'll only add that I also have a DeskJet 500C and am quite pleased with it's performance. I also use an HP-4M laser printer and have used several other laser printers. I have actually mixed up pages from one of the other laser printers with output from the DeskJet and had trouble determining which was which. This happened to me while I was still scoffing at those that said that you could not get laser quality from anything but a laser printer. Paper is absolutely vital! You can always tell if you examine the papers with a magnifying glass but I don't know too many people that read using one. The DeskJet, in my case, was intended to serve two needs. Both of which it does admirably; Provide some color printing capability and provide portability. One does not want to ship a laser printer around, it real messy. The color printing serves my needs (color graphics) but I am not too impressed with the color capability as far as pictures and the like. -bill
#86488From: John DublerJan 26, 1993 7:36 AM
Bill, Thanks to you (and Jay) for your responses. A couple of friends have suggested going for color with the 500C/550C, although I'm not much of a graphics person. I thought the 550C added a black jet, assuming this wasn't on the 500C, and that the 500C wasn't as good with black. Is this true? It doesn't sound like you have complaints about b/w output. I could probably get a laser for the cost of the 550C (over $700) so I don't think I'll be that interested in the newest model if that is required. *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86496From: Pete MilesJan 26, 1993 9:22 AM
John, Just my quick penny worth. The DJ550C has 2 carts, 1 colour and 1 black..proper black. The old 500C made up black with the 3 primary colurs but it wasn't very good, more like a very very dark greenish/grey. It may well be a good idea to get a laser printer if you really don't want or need the colour. I had a 500C but soon sold it and bought a Ricoh LP100 laser. Very good indeed, 2mb ram as std and about 6ppm. Cost me 699pounds so expect it would cost you a lot less. Pete from Dorset in Englands West Country – via Whap!
#86661From: BILL LEACHJan 27, 1993 8:17 PM
John; The 500 uses a different cart. for Black only operation and this cart. is just fine. The problem occurs when trying to do Black in a color drawing, then the Black is somewhat brown. -bill
#86825From: John DublerJan 29, 1993 8:45 AM
Bill, Thanks for making that distinction for the 500C. I'm not planning to spend any more than $500 on my next printer (leaving out the 550C and most lasers), and since *most* of my printing would be black, it seemed like an unnecessary expense to use up 3 jets trying to print most of my printing. Knowing the jets can be switched to use black when everything on a page makes more sense (for my purposes), and is probably how I would use it most of the time. *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86920From: Mike SchillerJan 30, 1993 6:58 AM
John: If you're mostly interested in printing black, then you should really think about just getting a plain (black only) DJ500, as they're MUCH cheaper than any of the color models. I've seen them selling as low as $299.00 at some of the larger warehouse type stores around here. // -Mike Schiller \X/ AMIGA! On AutoPilot in sunny Fort Lauderdale
#86930From: BILL LEACHJan 30, 1993 8:38 AM
John; I think I was clear on that, but not being positive…. The 550 has both black and color carts mounted at the same time. Thus is does not try to print black by mixing colors, a vast improvement when printing a color image that needs black. The 500 takes either cart but will not ask for the black cart when printing in color. For my own use, I just design whatever it is that I am printing so that the color work does not use much black and will not look bad (now that's an opinion for ya) if the black is not quite black. I switch drivers to do black only printing (and the printer will then ask to have the color cart replaced if it is still in the machine). As I said before, I use an HP-4M for the vast majority of my work but do not have any problem with running a little job through the DeskJet. It really is a very nice printer and particularly so for black and white stuff if you choose your paper with care. Indeed, I really have had trouble determining which was which a couple of times. It was actually necessary to get a magnifying glass to determine whether a particular page was printed on the DeskJet or a laser (not the HP-4M of course but another 300 dpi laser). It is my opinion that if you need to do high quality work, don't need real high throughput and either your originals do not need to be particularly durable or you can copy the originals on a very good quality copier then the DeskJet 500 will be an excellent choice. -bill
#87011From: Dave ArreJan 30, 1993 11:33 PM
Bill: Which paper do you find gives the best quality output on the DeskJet? — Dave
#87039From: BILL LEACHJan 31, 1993 10:33 AM
Dave; I use Hammermill Laser Plus and more recently Weyerhauser First Choice Item 1177. These are both excellent papers for laser printers also. -bill
#86227From: Mark SterlingJan 23, 1993 3:04 PM
The Deskjet works well with the Amiga. I have used one since they first came out. It works great with ProPage. I expect it works fine with ProWrite as long as it utilizes outline fonts. I have actually worn out my Deskjet as I have used it every day for the three-four years it has been available. This is not to say it is fragile. It has printed umpteen cartridges without a hitch until lately. It is out for repair right now but I expect it will be back in action (in another office) for a few more seasons. I did replace it with a LJ4M. It is not very fast for DTP output but the quality is good. For regular text printing it is pretty quick at 240cps for a very nice draft mode. I'm not sorry I bought it and it was around $800 (!!!) when I got it. Goin' AP6 …..Mark Sterling6
#86489From: John DublerJan 26, 1993 7:36 AM
Mark, Thanks to you and the others for all of your help. Could you take a guess how long it takes to print a single page at 300 dpi from PPage? (I once borrowed an LJ IIP and PPage took about 10-15 mins on my unaccelerated machine, but the results were great!). *** jd, using AP from LA, CA!
#86542From: Mark SterlingJan 26, 1993 7:18 PM
I would guess the limiting factor on an unaccellerated machine to be the machine and not the printer. On a faster machine it is definitely the printer and the Deskjet is certainly slower than the LJ IIP. I would usually get a full page letter from PPage, my A2500/020 and the DJ in about 5 minutes. Goin' AP6 …..Mark Sterling6
#86831From: New Horizons SoftwareJan 29, 1993 10:39 AM
John, Print times should be comparable for the DeskJet and the LaserJet since the amount of processing in either event is the same and the data transmitted to the printers is comparable (if not identical) blank space on the page will decrease print times accordingly. Randy Brooks New Horizons Software, Inc.
#86885From: dBrownJan 29, 1993 11:23 PM
I have had a deskjet for about 6 months and it works quite well. I use it with PPage as a preview printer, then save to PostScript for high quality printing I understand that WB 2.1 has a beter printer driver than 2.04 which i am using. 300 dpi mode is SLOW with a 7 mHz 68010. dBrown