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Color Splitter

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#36362From: Karl SparklinJul 17, 1990 8:58 PM
Joe, Can you expand on whatever experiments you did to determine that the splitter was not at fault in the resolution-loss? Did you pass color video to Digiview directly somehow? The limitation could certainly be in DigiView; I just don't have a monochrome camera to test it out separately. Karl
#36414From: Joe KuzmaJul 19, 1990 12:29 PM
Karl, I passed the color video directly to the Digi-View box and digitized in B&W. Then I passed the video directly through the Color Splitter & Digi-View and digitized the same picture in B&W. (bypassing the color splitters purpose of doing color). Then I compared both pictures, though there was difference – the loss of resolution was not apparent. Joe
#36426From: Karl SparklinJul 19, 1990 3:49 PM
Joe, Ahh, makes sense. Thank you for the report. Too bad the DigiView is losing so much. Pity. Must try something of the sort on my setup once I get a camera. Karl
#36371From: Peter GreciDec 6, 1993 5:48 PM
I own and Use DCTV, it's a small box that plugs into your RGB Port. The Output is Quite nice considering it's price and I use it to output my 736*482 rez DCTV animations in realtime to SVHS. I record using a JVC HR4700U which is their least expensive SVHS machine as far as I know. The results I get are quite nice and have been broadcast on Cable TV(Manhatten Cable's "The Chronic Rift" has a 55 second anim I did as it's opening) I use Black Belt Systems Imagemaster R/T to compile my DCTV anims and do Morphing and other FX. The Limitations are you won't get a Rock Steady Frame Rate so you'll actually have to Gueestimate running times of your animation and salso it's output is a bit SOFT. It is an NTSC device and is quite nice. It's an Excellent unit and comes with a very good paint prg. I suggest you get a demo at your local Dealer or try to find a User Group or other peron to demo it for you. Good Luck.
#36396From: KAPRYAN KENNEDYDec 7, 1993 9:05 PM
Peter, Thanks for the synopsis of your use of DCTV and the video equipment/software you use. Sounds like your doing what I'm just dreaming about. Wish I received Manhatten Cable to view your anim. Concerning your JVC HR4700U, was price your only reason for choosing it or does it have features (inputs and outputs, erase heads, etc.) that make it a good buy for desk top video purposes? I've been looking into Hi8 camcorders myself becuase the format seems to be stronger for primary recording or am I going astray here? Concernig the use of the A520, genlocks, and DCTV, once they are connected to the RGB port will I be limited to the use of a composite monitor only or is there a pass thru on any of these devices, or is there a device to allow the use of an RGB monitor symultaniously. Please excuse my ignorance. Kapryan Kennedy
#36421From: Peter GreciDec 8, 1993 4:28 PM
The DCTV Unit and the A520 both have Pass thru's so you can continue to use your monitor. The Price of the 4700 was the determining factor for my minimal budget. it does have Flying Erase heads for Glitchless editing which is good. The only feature I wish it had is Audio Dub. BTW Beware of Hi08 as it's SUPPOSED to be very prone to dropouts.
#36482From: KAPRYAN KENNEDYDec 11, 1993 2:06 PM
Peter, I'm curious about the problem Hi8 video formats have with "dropouts". I'm afraid I'm just a babe in the woods concerning all these things, what is a "dropout" anyway? I've been trying to educate myself on video issues but this is one that I've never encountered before. Thanks for explaining the issue of pass-thrus on the A520 and DCTV. Finally decided to order the A2300 genlock to get started. It was twice the cost of the A520 but at $60 not a bad price at all. Do you have any suggestions concerning make and model of a good composit monitor? Kapryan Kennedy
#36498From: Peter GreciDec 12, 1993 11:34 AM
I use the plain ordinary CBM 1084S monitor but you may not want to use it if you want to work in High resolution modes due to the Flicker. As to dropouts they are similar to what you see when watching a Film and a spec of dust is on the film you see a "DOT" that doesn't belong there. They can be small or they can be fairly large. I hope this explanation is coherent. A Genlock will allow you to do more things than a plain encoder. Have fun.
#36501From: KAPRYAN KENNEDYDec 12, 1993 1:06 PM
Peter, Thanks for the explaination of dropouts. I'll keep that in mind while shopping for a camcorder. Do the regular 8mm format camcorders have similar problems? Since I'm on the subject of educating myself on video, can you recommend a couple of How To books on the subject? I see a lot of titles for sale on Home Video which makes me some what indecisive especially when the go for $20 – $30. Kapryan Kennedy
#36510From: CRAIG ZWIENERDec 12, 1993 5:35 PM
Kapryan, …. PMJI Forget the books……they are already outdated. Spend the $20 – $30 here. If I may suggest, the Consumer Electronics Forum just added a Desktop Video section. There are a lot of non-Amigans over there, and I can use all the help I can get <g>. Camcorders are a subject of much discussion. IMHO, the Canon L-3 would be my preference. A Hi-8, 3 chip, 15x interchangeable lens, RC time code, Control L, TBC and DVE for $ 2500.00. The only problem is, has not been made, yet! Seriously, I would stay with Hi-8 or S-VHS if you are selling copies of your production. I like this configuration: Sony Hi-8 801 RC Timecode or Canon L-2 RC Timecode with Video Director and Scala on the Amiga to the Sony CVD-1000 (V-Deck). The Hi-8 V-Deck reads/writes timecode and can double as a multimedia RS-232 deck. Regards, –Craig Zwiener
#36512From: Peter GreciDec 12, 1993 7:19 PM
8mm also suffers from more dropouts. I believe it's due to the narrower tape size that it is more aparent than with VHS/SVHS etc. Sorry I don't really know any good books on the subject that I'd recommend.
#36520From: Stephen BaileyDec 12, 1993 11:38 PM
Check into a subscription to VideoMaker Magazine. You can usually find it in bookstores, even in the neighborhood grocery. Very informative reading for consumer and pro-sumer level videography. They also have many articles on formats, camera buyers guides, editing, system set-up, etc. Better info than in any book, for about the same price (i.e. 1 subscription = 1 book). Hope this helps. Steve Stephen Bailey Sawyer & Bailey Film and Video CIS # 72773,2451
#36644From: KAPRYAN KENNEDYDec 18, 1993 1:32 PM
Steve, Thanks for the recomendation for VideoMaker Magazine, I'll pick one up as soon as I see one. Sorry for the delay in responding, still trying to catch up with Christmas cards. Kapryan Kennedy
#36639From: Charles BlaquiereDec 18, 1993 11:36 AM
Kapryan, as you may know, magnetic recording tape, like videotape for example, has a thin coating of a ferrous oxide substance laid upon a mylar base (the tape itself). <Video professionals: I may not have the exact names right — no flames please!> If a flake of ferrous oxide "drops off" the tape, there can be no signal recorded on that tiny spot anymore. When playback reaches that blind spot, it shows up onscreen as a glitch. This is a dropout. Blaq!
#36643From: KAPRYAN KENNEDYDec 18, 1993 1:32 PM
Blaq!, Thanks for the explaination of "dropout". I assume then that the real problem with 8mm dropouts is an issue of tape quality and not a defect of the hardware and circuitry of Hi8 camcorders. My next question is: Who makes the best quality tape and what tape should be avoided? Kapryan Kennedy
#36661From: JERRY HATCHETTDec 19, 1993 12:15 AM
Kapryan, I've had the best luck by far with the Sony HMEX series of Hi8 tape; vast difference in picture quality between it and others I've tried. I'm afraid they all suffer from dropout, however… Jerry
#36696From: Vince PilgrimDec 20, 1993 2:44 AM
Jerry, any comments on which decks (Hi-8) in the pro/semi-pro market are best at dealing with drop out compensation (DOC)? One of the things I like about the U-Matic SP format and BVU-950 machines <grin>. I am impressed with the EVW-3000 Hi-8 camcorder though. Almost as good as a BetaCam <g>. Vince
#36705From: JERRY HATCHETTDec 20, 1993 4:51 PM
Vince, This is the Hi8 equipment I've owned, or currently (own): 2 Canon L1 camcorders (1) 2 Sony EV-S3000 Hi8 decks (1) 1 Sony EVO-9650 deck (0) The 9650 was used for single framing until I changed all my editing gear to 3/4 SP. I must say that the 3/4 SP takes a licking and keeps on putting out dropout-free video. Anyway, the 9650 did a great job at recording animations, but you needed to immediately bump the original to something more durable, because it sure wouldn't stand many passes. You'll probably be surprised to hear that the Canon L1 camcorders have the best playback BY FAR, compared to the Sony EV-S3000 deck; with that in mind, if Canon makes a prosumer Hi8 deck, I'd seriously look into it. Jerry
#36774From: Vince PilgrimDec 22, 1993 8:18 AM
Jerry, thanks for the info on that. I wasn't aware that the L1 was that good, but will try to find out some more about it. Oh yes, just so I don't forget, best of the holiday season to you and yours. Y'all have a safe one. Vince
#36668From: Nathan WahlDec 19, 1993 8:59 AM
Kapryan, Look at the amount of info being put on that tiny tape, compared to other formats. The info is densly packed, so a smaller defect has essentially bigger results. So, yes, tape quality is more critical on Hi8 than elsewhere. … Nate, Emerald Video
#36776From: Charles BlaquiereDec 22, 1993 9:48 AM
Kapryan, on an 8mm-wide tape, the information is recorded in a smaller area than on 1/4-inch tape (VHS?), 1/2-inch, 1-inch or 2-inch tape. That little flake that falls off will therefore cause a much bigger glitch on 8mm tape than on 2-inch tape, which explains why TV stations tend to use larger formats than semi-pro or home users. Blaq!