#Bernoulli -or- SyQuest
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Question here.. Is Bernoulli or SyQuest the most common drives found in
most service bureaus for animations. I know very little about these drives
other than the fact that they are some sort of removable hard drives with a max
capacity of 150MB or so.
Are Bernoulli and SyQuest actually the same drive but just different
companies? Can the cartridges be interchanged so that it doesn't really matter
which drive you get? And if I had to choose, which would be the better choice
(as far as acceptability)?
— Steve, thanks
Steve:
>> Are Bernoulli and SyQuest actually the same drive but just different
>> companies?
No such luck! Different drives, different companies, different media!
>> most service bureaus for animations
I can't speak for others, but we have a Colorado 250meg, 1/4" 150meg, and
Exabyte 8mm that we can accept files on.
Greg Pyros
Greg,
PMJI, but:
>> I can't speak for others, but we have a Colorado 250meg, 1/4" 150meg, and
Exabyte 8mm that we can accept files on.>>
And 360k floppy disks, when absolutely necessary <g,d&r>
Martin:
>> And 360k floppy disks, when absolutely necessary <g,d&r>
Only for you, good buddy! <bg> No one else!
Greg
Greg, with your obsession on laser, I am surprised that you don't admit 128MB
or 1 Gigabyte magneto optical diskettes <g>. Why are you waiting for? Probably
when I buy the LaserDisk you will buy the MOs. Seriously, I have read in
Computer Artist that MOs are really taking services bureaus. They are not as
fast as removable magnetic technologies as Bernoulli and SyQuest, but they are
durable and a lot more cheaper, with great transfer rates. In fact, 1G
diskettes are as fast as standard drives.
Ana
Ana:
We put all our money into hard disks! Couple that with the Exabyte for
backup, and we are very happy here! No need for those fancy read-write
magnetos! <g>
Remember our main purpose in life is _creating_ animations, not being a
full fledged service bureau, even though we do quite a bit of that, too.
If we were going that route, we would do a lot of things very differently!
Greg Pyros
Greg, Martin, Ana and all the others,
what about DAT Tapes ?? I got a normal Audio DAT and buy a special
expansion card for 990 German Marks (made in Germany, I know it's not a
standart) which is an interface between the PC an a normal Audio
DAT. I can backup/restore 2GByte (uncompressed!) on one DAT Tape (1cent/MB)
with 10 MB/min transferspeed (without streamer noise <g>). The connection
between PC and DAT are optical wires (don't know the englisch word).
I am really happy with it, works very good for internal backups.
Theres is also a MIDI interface on board, an AD/DA audio converter,
and you can do digital harddisk recording, which means you can copy an adio CD
1:1 to the harddisk edit digitaly the sound an play it back 1:1 to DAT.
If anyone wants to know more, let me know it.
Ingo
What do you have there, Ingo? <g> MIDI interface? AD/DA audio converter? Sounds
more as a sound board with direct optical links with digital equipment than a
controller board. Of course it could be very interesting to have more info (I
never have seen something like that) What is the company name? A german one?
(sure I've seen it in the IS of Byte) Are there only a simply wire to control
all? (like the one for Direct CD mode in stereo equipment) Many questions, but
it's a strange machine 🙂
Thanks, Ana
Ana,
For more information here is the adress:
CreamWare GmbH
Breitestrasse 16
5200 Siegburg
Germany
Phone: +49-2241-65076-77
Fax: +49-2241-56724
The product is called tripple DAT
tripple for: 1.) DAT streamer
2.) Digital harddiskrecording
3.) Normal audio DAT
It not a real sound card and not a real controller. The conection form the
board to the audio DAT are optical wires. In order to control the DAT you have
a infrared sensor which emulates the remote control of the DAT. So all
operationes are controlled via remote control, the optical wires are only for
data I/O.
You not really need the AD/DA converter for normal audio, the AD/DA converter
from the DAT are better.
You can record normal digital audiosignals to the harddisk and then you can
edit them. A sound editing multitrack software is included.
What Martin said, its also possible to found every file in ca. 1 minute
maximum 3 minutes, it depends where the file is on the DAT tape.
Now I must go, sorry have no time to finish. I will be back on Monday.
Ingo
Ingo,
I also have a 4mm DAT backup unit by a German company (I believe) called
Gigatrend. It was pretty cheap and the best thing is it can find a file in
high-speed – average 20 seconds, maximum 40 seconds. I once had to restore a
file I had deleted and the whole process took 30 seconds – very good for tape
backup.
My next one will be 8mm Exabyte, however, because of Abekas/D1 recording.
Martin,
is it right that your DAT unit is a special one only to use with
computers (perhaps with no audio option) ??
With my card you can use a normal audio DAT, it's perhaps a little bit slower
than yours, but you need only one DAT for backups and audio.
This Exabyte streamer is it fast and makes no noise ??
(I hate streamer <g>)
Ingo
Ingo,
my DAT unit is computer backup only. I don't know much about the Exabyte,
except that it's an industry standard which is important when exchanging large
amounts of animation.
Martin,
sure the Exabyte streamer is intressting for video animations. When I go to
video I send my 3DS file to a company wich will render and record it so I have
no problems with big data transfers. All I know about the Exabyte streamer is
much popular in USA than in Europe/Germany. It's not a standard here, perhaps
it will come. If you know some tecnical datas, please let me know it.
Zee you, you diver in all dimensions <g>
Ingo
I seem to see SyQuest mentioned in more service bureau info packs — which
figures 'cuase we got Bernoulli's!
Dave
In the MAC world Syquest wins – therefore for DTP bureaus SYquest is the one.
In the industrial world, BERNOUILLI's win..they are a tiny bit faster and a lot
more reliable…and I believe have a greater top end capacity (150Mb vs.
120Mb).
I too went for Bernouilli's.
We've been on Bernoulli's for years (still got a couple 10+10 over-unders
around to use all those old cartridges, but traded all the others in when the
90's came out).
We had one problem where someone knocked over a Transportable while a cartridge
was in it. It busted something inside the cartridge, but Iomega was able to
remove that media and put it in another cart-body. Got all the data back.
Dave
Steve,
MAC -> Syquest
IBM -> Bernoulli
Print Graphics Service Bureaus -> MAC –>> Syquest
Animators Service Bureaus -> PC –>> Bernoulli
Basically, as always … it depends on what you want to do
Ang
I read all the threads today. I use a Syquest 88 w/ Stacker. I almost bought
a Bernoulli 150. Keep in mind that there are two flavors of each manufactures
spec. This really means that there are four types of drives, not two! The
Bern 150 won't read some of its' own smaller critters, and the same w/ Syquest.
I bought the Syquest 88 because I have an associate who uses an 88 on his
Toaster. Since we can run to any format MII, Beta, 3/4 SP, HI-8, SVHS, the
Syquest was the cheaper alternative. WE ARE planning on adding a Bernoulli for
the rest of the potential clients. DAT's worlk well too. Just depends on who
you decide to partner with to run out you stuff. Happy hunting. 🙂 Alan –
Hords of Fun!