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#Bernoulli -or- SyQuest

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#49345From: Steven LeeJul 11, 1993 9:50 PM
Question here.. Is Bernoulli or SyQuest the most common drives found in most service bureaus for animations. I know very little about these drives other than the fact that they are some sort of removable hard drives with a max capacity of 150MB or so. Are Bernoulli and SyQuest actually the same drive but just different companies? Can the cartridges be interchanged so that it doesn't really matter which drive you get? And if I had to choose, which would be the better choice (as far as acceptability)? — Steve, thanks
#49350From: Jul 12, 1993 12:45 AM
Steve: >> Are Bernoulli and SyQuest actually the same drive but just different >> companies? No such luck! Different drives, different companies, different media! >> most service bureaus for animations I can't speak for others, but we have a Colorado 250meg, 1/4" 150meg, and Exabyte 8mm that we can accept files on. Greg Pyros
#49359From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 12, 1993 4:01 AM
Greg, PMJI, but: >> I can't speak for others, but we have a Colorado 250meg, 1/4" 150meg, and Exabyte 8mm that we can accept files on.>> And 360k floppy disks, when absolutely necessary <g,d&r>
#49390From: Jul 12, 1993 10:38 AM
Martin: >> And 360k floppy disks, when absolutely necessary <g,d&r> Only for you, good buddy! <bg> No one else! Greg
#49403From: Ana Francisca GervasJul 12, 1993 12:58 PM
Greg, with your obsession on laser, I am surprised that you don't admit 128MB or 1 Gigabyte magneto optical diskettes <g>. Why are you waiting for? Probably when I buy the LaserDisk you will buy the MOs. Seriously, I have read in Computer Artist that MOs are really taking services bureaus. They are not as fast as removable magnetic technologies as Bernoulli and SyQuest, but they are durable and a lot more cheaper, with great transfer rates. In fact, 1G diskettes are as fast as standard drives. Ana
#49464From: Jul 12, 1993 11:27 PM
Ana: We put all our money into hard disks! Couple that with the Exabyte for backup, and we are very happy here! No need for those fancy read-write magnetos! <g> Remember our main purpose in life is _creating_ animations, not being a full fledged service bureau, even though we do quite a bit of that, too. If we were going that route, we would do a lot of things very differently! Greg Pyros
#49657From: Ingo NeumannJul 14, 1993 5:49 PM
Greg, Martin, Ana and all the others, what about DAT Tapes ?? I got a normal Audio DAT and buy a special expansion card for 990 German Marks (made in Germany, I know it's not a standart) which is an interface between the PC an a normal Audio DAT. I can backup/restore 2GByte (uncompressed!) on one DAT Tape (1cent/MB) with 10 MB/min transferspeed (without streamer noise <g>). The connection between PC and DAT are optical wires (don't know the englisch word). I am really happy with it, works very good for internal backups. Theres is also a MIDI interface on board, an AD/DA audio converter, and you can do digital harddisk recording, which means you can copy an adio CD 1:1 to the harddisk edit digitaly the sound an play it back 1:1 to DAT. If anyone wants to know more, let me know it. Ingo
#49723From: Ana Francisca GervasJul 15, 1993 9:57 AM
What do you have there, Ingo? <g> MIDI interface? AD/DA audio converter? Sounds more as a sound board with direct optical links with digital equipment than a controller board. Of course it could be very interesting to have more info (I never have seen something like that) What is the company name? A german one? (sure I've seen it in the IS of Byte) Are there only a simply wire to control all? (like the one for Direct CD mode in stereo equipment) Many questions, but it's a strange machine 🙂 Thanks, Ana
#49836From: Ingo NeumannJul 16, 1993 7:23 AM
Ana, For more information here is the adress: CreamWare GmbH Breitestrasse 16 5200 Siegburg Germany Phone: +49-2241-65076-77 Fax: +49-2241-56724 The product is called tripple DAT tripple for: 1.) DAT streamer 2.) Digital harddiskrecording 3.) Normal audio DAT It not a real sound card and not a real controller. The conection form the board to the audio DAT are optical wires. In order to control the DAT you have a infrared sensor which emulates the remote control of the DAT. So all operationes are controlled via remote control, the optical wires are only for data I/O. You not really need the AD/DA converter for normal audio, the AD/DA converter from the DAT are better. You can record normal digital audiosignals to the harddisk and then you can edit them. A sound editing multitrack software is included. What Martin said, its also possible to found every file in ca. 1 minute maximum 3 minutes, it depends where the file is on the DAT tape. Now I must go, sorry have no time to finish. I will be back on Monday. Ingo
#49737From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 15, 1993 11:25 AM
Ingo, I also have a 4mm DAT backup unit by a German company (I believe) called Gigatrend. It was pretty cheap and the best thing is it can find a file in high-speed – average 20 seconds, maximum 40 seconds. I once had to restore a file I had deleted and the whole process took 30 seconds – very good for tape backup. My next one will be 8mm Exabyte, however, because of Abekas/D1 recording.
#49837From: Ingo NeumannJul 16, 1993 7:23 AM
Martin, is it right that your DAT unit is a special one only to use with computers (perhaps with no audio option) ?? With my card you can use a normal audio DAT, it's perhaps a little bit slower than yours, but you need only one DAT for backups and audio. This Exabyte streamer is it fast and makes no noise ?? (I hate streamer <g>) Ingo
#49984From: MARTIN G FOSTERJul 17, 1993 8:17 PM
Ingo, my DAT unit is computer backup only. I don't know much about the Exabyte, except that it's an industry standard which is important when exchanging large amounts of animation.
#50033From: Ingo NeumannJul 18, 1993 6:10 PM
Martin, sure the Exabyte streamer is intressting for video animations. When I go to video I send my 3DS file to a company wich will render and record it so I have no problems with big data transfers. All I know about the Exabyte streamer is much popular in USA than in Europe/Germany. It's not a standard here, perhaps it will come. If you know some tecnical datas, please let me know it. Zee you, you diver in all dimensions <g> Ingo
#49374From: David RhotenJul 12, 1993 9:35 AM
I seem to see SyQuest mentioned in more service bureau info packs — which figures 'cuase we got Bernoulli's! Dave
#49430From: Suresh KavanJul 12, 1993 6:55 PM
In the MAC world Syquest wins – therefore for DTP bureaus SYquest is the one. In the industrial world, BERNOUILLI's win..they are a tiny bit faster and a lot more reliable…and I believe have a greater top end capacity (150Mb vs. 120Mb). I too went for Bernouilli's.
#49530From: David RhotenJul 13, 1993 2:59 PM
We've been on Bernoulli's for years (still got a couple 10+10 over-unders around to use all those old cartridges, but traded all the others in when the 90's came out). We had one problem where someone knocked over a Transportable while a cartridge was in it. It busted something inside the cartridge, but Iomega was able to remove that media and put it in another cart-body. Got all the data back. Dave
#49435From: Angelo Guarino [DTI Inc]Jul 12, 1993 7:07 PM
Steve, MAC -> Syquest IBM -> Bernoulli Print Graphics Service Bureaus -> MAC –>> Syquest Animators Service Bureaus -> PC –>> Bernoulli Basically, as always … it depends on what you want to do Ang
#49828From: ALAN D. HORDJul 16, 1993 2:11 AM
I read all the threads today. I use a Syquest 88 w/ Stacker. I almost bought a Bernoulli 150. Keep in mind that there are two flavors of each manufactures spec. This really means that there are four types of drives, not two! The Bern 150 won't read some of its' own smaller critters, and the same w/ Syquest. I bought the Syquest 88 because I have an associate who uses an 88 on his Toaster. Since we can run to any format MII, Beta, 3/4 SP, HI-8, SVHS, the Syquest was the cheaper alternative. WE ARE planning on adding a Bernoulli for the rest of the potential clients. DAT's worlk well too. Just depends on who you decide to partner with to run out you stuff. Happy hunting. 🙂 Alan – Hords of Fun!