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#Ados 2.0 Docs Released

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#12390From: Wayne ColeJul 23, 1991 12:21 AM
I was talking to a friend in NYC last night who bought the AmigaDos 2.0 references (Addison Wesley version) in Waldenbooks yesterday. It had an August 1991 publish date – (what, Ados 2.0 allows time travel too!??! Is that in the utilities drawer or the tools drawer ;^} ) wmc
#12398From: Gregory B. TibbsJul 23, 1991 1:06 PM
The AmigaDos manual is by Bantam and my copy was dated July. I picked it up at a local Software Etc. on Sunday. -Greg
#12424From: Wayne ColeJul 23, 1991 10:39 PM
I realized my mistake about the time I packed it in for the nite. I just posted a correction – didn't want anyone to think it was the RKMs. I'm going to NYC in 3 wks – hope its a litle cooler – where I hope to pick up a copy. The local Software Etc has developed SEVERE animosity toward the Amiga (heard a salesperson tell a prospective customer that the 500 was a peice of trash and he should get clone xyz…). They also will only stock games for the Amiga. Their special order on books takes a lifetime and a half too!
#12448From: Software EtcJul 24, 1991 3:41 PM
What Software ETC is that? If you would, please E-Mail me the City and mall of the store. We support the Amiga as much as we can given local markets. Sadly, we do stock mostly games since that is over 90% of Amiga sales (Volume). If the ordering of books or software is taking a long time, then they are doing something wrong. We have gotten orders in as little as 2 days. It usually takes about 5-7 days.
#12509From: Wayne ColeJul 26, 1991 1:30 AM
Craig, Santa Barbara, LaCumbre Mall. Last time I ordered Amiga manuals (RKMs) it took 2 trips and two sales people to find them listed and 6 weeks to get them. The other problem is turn-over. I go in there about 2 times a month hoping against hope to see signs of active Amiga support. Only once have I seen the same person twice and that occurred only one time. The rest are late high school/early college types who have only been exposed to MSDos and Mac stuff, so of course they think it is the only thing going. So the Amiga sits in a corner of the store, unplugged and turned off most of the time. There is a store in Santa Maria Town Center Mall with much better AMiga support, but an hours drive one way. wmc
#12539From: Software EtcJul 26, 1991 11:38 PM
Thats terrible, let me see what I can do. I'll pass on your story reguarding the poor service to my DM. Things like that shouldn't happen. We've been working pretty hard the last year to fix problems like that. An order should NEVER take more than 2 weeks and if it's going to be longer than a week you should have been contacted and told of the circumstances. Demo systems are in our stores for a purpose, and that is to demo the systems and should never be turned off or unplugged! I can assure you ALL of the Wiscosin stores have Amigas being demo'd and we support them very well. I can however relate to the staff a bit. Being a consumer type rather than proffesional orientate chain, it's hard to get well-rounded personal in computers. Hopefully, the problem there will be cleared up. Craig Glaser (Software Etc Milwaukee) – via Whap!
#12540From: Wayne DavisonJul 26, 1991 11:55 PM
As an Asst mgr here in Palm Desert, CA (near Palm Springs), I can tell you that I've pushed Amigas till it hurts..I own an Amiga 500/5 meg/ 80HD that I will stack up against any IBM/MAC we sell and make them look fo foolish!! I also own a C-64, a286-12/3 meg/128HD/SuperVGA and STILL would rather multitask on my 500…Our DM would like the names of the stores involved, too…no room for slackers at Software Etc…Wayne, 76004,3000
#12547From: Ethan SolomitaJul 27, 1991 12:59 PM
Well, if you'd like yet another story of a SWEtc. that has poor amy usually off, there is the one in Manhattan on 83rd and Broadway (that is NYC, BTW 8). I rarely walk in there and see it on. They also don't even have an Amiga books section anymore. — Ethan
#12662From: Wayne ColeJul 30, 1991 1:08 AM
Craig, I heard from #87 in Santa Maria (where Amiga service is good). They are going to seed if they can exert some positive influence on the situation. Thanks for all your help, and I'll try not to hold this store against the chain. wmc
#12541From: Clint H. WoeltjenJul 27, 1991 12:38 AM
Wayne: Up here (about 75 miles north of you) the Software Etc store in Santa Maria strongly supports the Amiga. All of the employees from the manager on down own Amigas, and they go out of their way to keep shelves stocked with interesting programs, as well as special ordering anything you need. I guess it is manager dependent, but maybe a nudge from the main 7ffice may help get your local store on track. Clint <VRLI>
#12663From: Wayne ColeJul 30, 1991 1:08 AM
Clint, I know – I've happily dropped a few bucks in the SM Sftwr etc. In fact if I'm in SM, I always stop and check their shelves – and I don't feel like an inferior species for looking at/buying AMiga stuff there!! wmc
#12668From: Clint H. WoeltjenJul 30, 1991 3:04 AM
I love pointing out what a good job the Santa Maria Software Etc does, Richard blushes so easily. <grin>
#12574From: Michael DoveJul 28, 1991 1:08 AM
Hee, hee. Thanks, Wayne & Clint. Now let's see if we can get some positive action here. When our District Manager gets back from vacation next week, I will pass Wayne's complaint on directly to her. In the meantime, I will contact the manager at the SB store and do some polite informational development. She suffers at this time from knowing very, very little about computers, and although she wants to change, so far her development has been strictly MSDOS-oriented. Sad, but a feature of the business and her location. If I could do her MSDOS business I would be a very happy man (Well, as long as I don't lose my Amiga business, of course). Employee turnover at that location has been very high as the old staff has been weeded very effectively, and, I think, for the most part, very usefully. Look for more stable employees in the next month or so. As for book orders, I have a feeling that's probably a real problem related to how orders are handled @ that location. I will speak on that problem as well. Of course, if you don't mind the drive, I don't mind the business 🙂 Richard Cunningham, MGR Software Etc 087 104 Town Ctr West Santa Maria, CA 93454 (805) 928-0406 You know, of course, that this probably means I'll be asked to go sit in down there for a couple of days…sigh…at least I have a good car stereo system 🙂 tmm/Richard Cunningham Die and go to BBS Hell 🙂
#12666From: Clint H. WoeltjenJul 30, 1991 2:57 AM
Richard: Just don't let them keep you long! We need you right here. <grin> Clint <VRLI>
#12680From: Steve Jackson GamesJul 30, 1991 10:38 AM
If you're collecting Software, Etc. horror stories, I'll pass on the one about the Austin location at Barton Creek Mall. I have been buying software there for about 2 years, off and on. More off than on, because they have *never* filled a special order for me. They happily take down all the information, say they'll get it, and then . . . nothing. When I check back in 2 weeks later, they mutter, look at a fische, and take down the information again. I've started driving across town to Babbages for my PC stuff, and using BriWall mail order for my Amiga needs. Loyd Blankenship
#12791From: Software EtcAug 1, 1991 1:25 AM
I'm glad that's not comming from my district (WI/Illinios). Something like that would have that store's manager gone in a flash. Craig Glaser (Software Etc Milwaukee) – via Whap!
#12796From: Michael DoveAug 1, 1991 3:33 AM
That's an odd coincidence, Loyd. You see, about mid-December, a former employee from that location came into my store to see if he could get a job…I spent five minutes talking to him and went into "Dive! Dive! Dive!" mode. He set off a warning bell about every seventh word he spoke. As I've said elsewhere, I'm collecting the entire thread (except for Clint's snide remarks 🙂 for xmittal higher up, just in case it does some good. I'm fairly optimistic about getting local response, but I don't know how willing my DM will be to dirty someone else's waters. Your best recourse is ALWAYS to file a customer complaint. It's not an easy thing to do, but how can it hurt if you're already getting poor service? Come to think of it, Loyd…considering the source, I'm discounting coincidence. Fnord! (how goes converting the lab to Amigas?) tmm/Richard Cunningham
#12812From: Ethan SolomitaAug 1, 1991 4:16 PM
How does one file a customer complaint? I'd like to start seeing some more books kept at my nearest stores, as well as the Amiga left on! (And that doesn't mean with the insert workbench disk picture! 8) — Ethan
#12841From: Steve Jackson GamesAug 2, 1991 12:40 AM
Why should I bother filing a customer complaint when I've decided to do business with another company? 🙂 After all, why should *I* care if they lose business because that can't service the market. I think simply never patronizing a store again and recommending against them to anyone who asks or will listen is the *ultimate* customer complaint. Kinda harsh, but they wanted to be capitalists . . . <g> Loyd
#12847From: Michael DoveAug 2, 1991 3:38 AM
Well, Loyd, you're right. I wish you weren't, but you are. On the other hand, wouldn't you love to have a fantastic store that serves you well? tmm/Richard Cunningham
#12870From: John PendergrassAug 2, 1991 3:21 PM
Agreed Loyd, just not doing biz there anymore is certainly a complaint…. … but, wouldn't it be better to write a short memo to the company and say, "I checked your store out, and decided not to shop there, because you don't carry enough (amiga software/amiga business software/non-game amiga software/amiga books/mags/etc). Just thought you'd like to know why I'm not a customer, so you can do something about it if you care." If we take as a given that we all benefit from good amiga dealers, then the above would at least let them know what they need to do to get your business back. Customers voicing concerns and suggestions is one way a dealership can improve, no? Actually, once when I did that the store manager called me up and asked for further info, so that they would be in better tune with their customers. Years ago, actually (apple // days). But I was impressed enough to go back and try again. They did improve, until they went bankrupt 🙁 –jp–seattle–
#13167From: Trevor LaibAug 11, 1991 2:11 AM
jp– I had the same experience. I sent my sister to the A.P.P.L.E. Co-op to look at their Clones a few years back. I'd my A1000 there years before, and had liked the people a lot. Their head saleman, I think his name was Ken, was extremely unimformed about everything computer-related. My sister and her husband, who had never owned a computer before, but had read all the recommended buyers' guides and all, knew far more than this dweeb. My sister summed up Ken with this statement, "Imagine going to a car dealership and having the salesman say, 'Y'know, I've never driven a car before, but I hear this kind is really good.' " Later on, I stopped by to buy something with my dividend (the last $ they'd ever see from me as I'd canceled my membership). I complained about their much-deteriorated Amiga section, and lousy salesmen. The manager actually asked to interview me in back to find out why they were losing an Amiga customer and an IBM Clone customer in one family. I told her it was because she'd let go all the technical people and hired touchy-feelie salesnerds. Not at computer person herself, she failed to understand my point, and they eventually went out of business, too. To quote Larry Niven, "Think of it as evelution in action." ————————————————————TL———-
#13168From: Trevor LaibAug 11, 1991 2:16 AM
er—that should have read: To quote Larry Niven, "Think of it as EVOLUTION in action." I, uh, meant to mispell that as a test to all the rest of you. I'm sure you all caught it the first time. Good job. ————————————————————TL———-
#12881From: Vic WagnerAug 2, 1991 6:13 PM
For the following reason (file a complaint): If stores stop carrying the Amiga (for whatever reason), people who have little interest (or only casual interest) in the Amiga will notice that it's no longer there (at worst) or will never notice that it IS there. They will ass/u/me that the Amiga isn't very interesting (incorrectly) and probably won't pursue getting one. It should be obvious to any budding capitalist <smmiiille> that the more customers for the Amiga there are, the more likely it is that people will make new add-on products for the Amiga market. The more products there are, the more people will be interested in buying the Amiga. We all win; you get better products (or choice of more); we get to sell more of our product. Given the American's pre-occupation with 'image' it behooves all of us in the Amiga market to help improve the Amiga's image.
#12846From: Michael DoveAug 2, 1991 3:37 AM
First step, Ethan, would be to ask to talk to the manager. Explain your concerns, and ask for the address of their district manager. Make it clear you intend to pursue to your satisfaction, and once you have the address, put your thoughts on paper and send them in. If you have a problem with a specific employee, always mention that. If your concern is over stock levels, try to be specific (at our level we have almost no control over general stock levels; we can just try to get specific titles). tmm/Richard Cunningham
#12912From: Ethan SolomitaAug 3, 1991 5:49 PM
It is just that most every Software Etc. I've been in at least carries a few of the basic Amiga books. The RKMs are usually there, along with some Abacus books and recently AmigaWorld books. This store simply removed them all. — Ethan
#13006From: Bruce HoinsAug 6, 1991 8:20 PM
Drive up to Killeen. The people in the Killeen Mall, as small as the mall is, know their Amiga stuff. Since I've been here the Amy stuff moved from the back to the middle of the store. One of the sales reps is the C= rep at the Ft. Hood PX. I've never had a problem with orders, but if I have to order something I usually shop at the PX. Bruce H. -Via Whap!
#13370From: Steve Jackson GamesAug 14, 1991 10:29 PM
I really don't have time to drive 1+ hours through Round Rock traffic to go Amigashopping. Scott at Briwall is without doubt one of the best salespeople I've worked with, and I don't have to leave my desk. I've never had problem one with them — if something doesn't work like I thought, I return it. No problem. Contrast this to the problems I've had with those weasels at Creative Computing/Go Amigo!, and I'll call him back every time. Loyd
#13400From: Ethan SolomitaAug 16, 1991 2:46 AM
Steve, did you deal with Go Amigo before it merged into Creative? Cause I know that I liked Go Amigo a lot beforehand and I had been wondering if they'd gone downhill. I take it you feel they have? — Ethan
#13446From: Steve Jackson GamesAug 17, 1991 12:24 PM
This is Loyd, on Steve's account. Yes, I dealt with them after the merger. It was a nightmare. Loyd
#13429From: Homer MooreAug 16, 1991 10:27 PM
Lloyd, There is a new Amiga only store open (sort of) in Austin. It is called The StAtion, and is off Airport near Lamar. They can be reached @ 459-5440. I just hope they can last longer than Amazing did. -Homer
#13447From: Steve Jackson GamesAug 17, 1991 12:25 PM
Yep. I got my 3000 from them before they opened. I think that they have some problems (bad hours, poor software selection, general disorganization), but they'll hopefully get over them. Loyd
#12536From: Jim Shaffer Jr.Jul 26, 1991 10:49 PM
The time travel utility is on side three of the boot floppy.
#12661From: Wayne ColeJul 30, 1991 1:08 AM
Darn, I forgot to insert side three with the rest of the floppy!?!! wmc