CompuServe Thread

#AutoPilot

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#42252From: Karl SparklinAug 9, 1992 10:22 AM
Betty, How long have you been using AutoPilot? Once set up, is it easier to use than Whap? I have no trouble with Whap, and will have to be convinced to give it up! The only thing I don't like about it is that if I just want to grab message headers, I have to go into each section individually and hit "QS", and let it go. And since I don't do this often, I have to go back and switch it to "None" later. A global setting would have been nice. That and the View slider messing up a message or two are the only quibbles I've had with Whap in a long time. Oooh, but the ability to do other AutoPilot functions while performing others in neat! Karl – via Whap!
#42254From: Michael GerardAug 9, 1992 11:12 AM
Karl: AutoPilot has a very rich set of AREXX commands which will allow you to write custom scripts to gloablly change its settings… for instance, you could have one script that sends AP online to collect all messages in selected forums, and another that sends AP online to just collect headers. Already, in Beta stage, I am using one script that logs on and gets my latest CIS billing information, another script that logs on and downloads a weather map, and yet another that allows 'scheduling' of AP to do certain things on certain days! // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42260From: Karl SparklinAug 9, 1992 5:59 PM
Michael, Sounds like something I'd like to have, if it's not too expensive. And may I say, I like your Amiga checkmark signature, but the second line needs another space in it to match up the two checkmark halves. Looking forward to AutoPilot, Karl – via Whap!
#42267From: Michael GerardAug 9, 1992 9:35 PM
Karl: I like the Amiga checmark too. I just stole it from someone else. <g> I'll have to check the formatting… it appears to be ok on the messages I have collected. Thanks for letting me know. (checking to see if my fly is open <*blush*>) // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42286From: Skip DyrdaAug 10, 1992 5:01 PM
Michael, One thing I've never cared for about WHAP! or any other front-end like it is that simply by using it, don't we miss a lot of current info that CIS offers? Basically, you have to know where you want to go before you use WHAP! so therefore, browsing is out of the question. Of course you could log on with another term program but doesn't that in effect defeat the purpose in some ways? Also, doesn't it screw up your settings if you log on with another program? I hope that Steve takes a look at AutoPilot from a new(casual) users point of view also, as there are many more of those than there are power-users. Don't you think? It would probably save him from answering a lot of questions down the line. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42289From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 10, 1992 8:12 PM
Among other features, AP will let you have as many forums as you want, which makes it much easier to browze the system. Also, AP will change only two of your settings: It has to be notifed only if you have mail, and it has to have the CIS main screen as your first service. Everything else remains as you had it before. This is a change from the way Whap! works, and should solve lots of problems.
#42305From: Paul GerhardtAug 11, 1992 11:22 AM
Betty, I am getting more excited the more I read about AutoPilot, but I have a question that I believe has not already been asked. Does AutoPilot have any provisions for managing your library data files, i.e. merging sessions & deleting duplicate entries, sorting on various keys, and key searches. This is something that has always been promissed for Whap!, but has never materialized. -Paul-
#42306From: Steve AhlstromAug 11, 1992 1:19 PM
Paul, In the past couple of weeks I've made it a point to keep my mouth shut about AutoPilot until I finally get around to letting it loose. (Others can, and have been, talking about it, so many questions have been answered, but just let me say that whatever any tester says about it, until it's actually released, things can change (not likely at this late date, however)). A while back I posted a "first cut" feature list (that I've not gotten around to updating since). It included the following as related to library file management … * A forum library catalog database is maintained, as complete as you wish. Catalogs can be updated without the need to rescan the entire library. Catalogs can be sorted by upload date, file size, and library number. Catalogs contain no duplicate entries and you can delete entries from your catalog. Further search criteria may be delimited by keyword, filename, and uploader's user id. -sja
#42323From: Greg HalperAug 11, 1992 9:28 PM
Steve: Where do I send the check and when? I've used Whap! all these years and this sounds even better. I want it and I want it now! <g> "…Give him an extra dollar." " An extra dollar? Yes sir." -"Young Frankenstein" regards, greg
#42338From: Michael GerardAug 11, 1992 10:55 PM
Greg: Like Whap!, you can't buy AP until you download the demo version and get it working properly on your system. And since the demo has not yet been released… <g> // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42353From: Paul GerhardtAug 12, 1992 9:33 AM
Steve, GREAT! Now I am really excited! Are you taking advanced upgrade orders? -Paul-
#42319From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 11, 1992 9:06 PM
Paul, The answer to most of your questions is 'YES' but I cannot tell you specifically on all of them at the moment. I'm just getting started on the docs for the registered version, and I've not worked on that part of it very much yet. I do know that it will eliminate duplicate entries in the catalogs, and that the entried can be sorted more than one way.
#42354From: Paul GerhardtAug 12, 1992 9:33 AM
Thanks Betty, Now I am really excited! -Paul-
#42331From: Skip DyrdaAug 11, 1992 9:38 PM
Betty, I can't wait! Other than WorkBench itself, the 2 programs I use the most are WHAP! and JRComm. Has anything been set up yet with regard to payment for AutoPilot? I was wondering if we could pay in advance to kinda avoid `putting up with' the crippled version for a month. I have faith in Steve's work so I wouldn't mind. It's be nice if he had a merchants account also, so we could pay with these little plastic wafers we all carry around<g>. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42339From: Michael GerardAug 11, 1992 10:56 PM
Skip: One of the ways that ATI (and now AForums, for AP) control costs and ensures customer satisfaction, and avoids return requests and complaints is by insisting that a user get the program demo up and running properly on their system prior to sending any money. // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42364From: Skip DyrdaAug 12, 1992 3:37 PM
Michael, Oh, I'm sure thats true for the new user but I'm positive I'll be satisfied with AutoPilot. For $20.00 you can't hardly go wrong, considering the terrific job they did with WHAP!. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42368From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 12, 1992 5:04 PM
Skip, I really think that the biggest holdup on AP is that I have not yet written the docs for the registered version. I've had lots of other things to do this summer and it has made it hard to find time to write. However – the more eager you get to get this program, the more pressure it puts on me to get them written. I can take a bit of pressure, but not too much! So – if Steve let you pre-pay, think of what it would do to me! <g> And in case you wonder – I AM working on it, between interruptions from family and other responsibilities. Not too much longer.
#42387From: Skip DyrdaAug 12, 1992 9:30 PM
Betty, Well, then. I shall leave you alone to get back to your work<g>. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42407From: Pete MilesAug 13, 1992 12:33 PM
We gotta have Autopilot Betty. Soon, very very soon. 🙂 Pete from West Dorset in Englands West Country – via Whap!
#42421From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 13, 1992 8:00 PM
Well, all I can say, Pete, is that I have worked on the docs for about 8 hours today, and I am a long, long way from finishing. But I'm a workin' on it!
#42294From: Michael GerardAug 10, 1992 10:45 PM
Skip: Yes, using the automated front ends tends to box in the user, but it is strictly by choice. Both Whap! and AP allow an interactive mode that will keep you online after they have done there magic. With Whap! you have your choice of using any of a number of different terminal programs as your 'interactive' terminal; AP has it's own integrated terminal software called 'HANDS-ON' that can be controlled by AREXX. Michael
#42299From: C. Davey UtterAug 11, 1992 2:30 AM
Skip, I think you are looking at this in a very narrow light. CI$ has, by far, more "power users" than "new (casual) users" and it should be the goal of every new user to become a power user. Whap! and, I'm sure AutoPilot, are written to facilitate the use of CI$ by people who have established patterns of usage and need to save money on that usage. My bill was $300.00+ @ month 'till Whap! came along and now it is down under $75.00 @ month, figger it out. Money is the bottom line here. Questions are the best way to learn computers. If we all stayed where we are then no one could answer the questions. Hang in there, buddy, it's gonna be ok. …Dave
#42332From: Skip DyrdaAug 11, 1992 9:39 PM
Dave, I wouldn't say it's narrow, exactly<g>. Just witness all the questions Steve gets regarding WHAP!. Many are from new users. `Power Users' tend to be able to figure it out for themselves. And I do disagree that CIS has more `power users' than casual although maybe our definition of power user isn't quite the same. I'm not tlking about the type of power user that uses CIS for research or business. Most of them probably don't use WHAP! anyway since most of them probably don't use Amigas. The power users I mean are those that are more into the act of using and setting up their computers as opposed to being more interested in just calling CIS to see whats new, have a chat(or arguement/discussion) or download some files with all the technical stuff being transparent to a degree. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42360From: C. Davey UtterAug 12, 1992 12:50 PM
Skip, IMHO Steve gets lots of questions about Whap! because lots of new users don't read the docs. Whap! is a complex program because it needs to be, but a careful reading of the very good documentation will get a new user going. Let's face it, when the author of a program is as accessable as Steve is, the temptation to ask first and read later is frequently overwhelming and poor old Steve has to answer the same questions over and over again. We've all done it. My definition of a power user is sort of similar to your's. I'd be willing to bet you that the vast majority of users are like myself. Been on CI$ for at least 6 years, regularly monitor and participate in between 3 to 15 forums on a daily basis and use some kind of Whap!-like program to save money on there addiction. You do know that most major computers have Whap!-like equivilants, don't you? IBM is TAPCIS and Mac is Navigator and then there is that kludge that CI$ itself puts out called CIM. Questions are a major way that we learn about computers and the only dumb question is one that remains unasked. …Dave
#42384From: Skip DyrdaAug 12, 1992 9:06 PM
Dave, Yes. I've been guilty of asking first and reading later. Although I did read the WHAP! docs twice, many times certain things just don't sink in<g>. I also know of the other platforms front ends but have never seen any in action. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42401From: Michael GerardAug 13, 1992 8:13 AM
Skip: I think I had the Whap.docs committed to memory and much of it still didn't make sense to me! It took a lot of trial and error for me to get whap! up & running properly <*sigh*>… nothing like a piece of software to teach you some humility. // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42408From: Skip DyrdaAug 13, 1992 2:29 PM
Michael, Really? Now I don't feel so bad<g>. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42414From: C. Davey UtterAug 13, 1992 5:40 PM
Well, I for many, can't wait to see AutoPilot. The ability to read messages whilst the thing is still picking up other ones is something I've wanted for years. I'm sure we'll both be using it very soon. …Dave
#42444From: Skip DyrdaAug 14, 1992 2:48 PM
I anxiously await it's arrival but untill then, WHAP! is doing very well. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42495From: Gracia M. LittauerAug 16, 1992 6:39 PM
Dave, I'm curious. I seem to remember you said you worked for NBC? What city? I was at 30 Rock and the Brooklyn studio on and off for 12 years. Gracia – via Coolwhap
#42496From: C. Davey UtterAug 16, 1992 6:52 PM
I worked in Burbank for 25 years until GE scuttled the operation there. I was a switching central associate director. …Dave
#42505From: Gracia M. LittauerAug 17, 1992 7:05 AM
Ah, Glamorus Hollywood! I guess we never passed in the halls, I toiled in exciting NY in a very unexciting end of TV. Would you beleive wardrobe? Like the plebs at Annapolis we were considerd lower then whale dust! But I was very large with the engineers in Brooklyn since I come from a scientific father and was interested in all that stuff. As an ex dancer, wardrobe gave me time and money to play with Ami. I did a lovely new "logo" for NBC that I almost showed to the brass when we were negotiating our contract. Used shaded files and made a peacock with a tail of light bulbs and an eye as a $. I think I made few when there was a NABET strike. Went over big. Gracia – via Coolwhap
#42682From: Jim SakladAug 23, 1992 11:10 PM
Skip – > I've been guilty of asking first and reading later. Although I did read > the WHAP! docs twice, many times certain things just don't sink in. Here I am, sitting at a smoothly multitasking computer, replying to messages using WHAP!. I wonder about some aspect of it — say, searching in View — so I flip screens, bring up TurboText, load the Whap!.doc (which happens to be PowerPacked, but I also have PowerPatcher loaded), search for "Search", answer my question, and return to my reading and replying almost without interruption. Couldn't be easier! . . . . . JimDoc
#42766From: Skip DyrdaAug 27, 1992 9:16 PM
Jim, You make it sound so easy<g>. And I'm sure once you DO it once or twice, it is. It's just learning first that you CAN do that sort of thing and then learning HOW to do it. And of course, remembering it all<g>. I'll save your message for later:-). >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42308From: Michael GerardAug 11, 1992 4:27 PM
Skip: I think that ANY automated CIS software tends to keep you from 'wandering around' CIS. But you always have the option of 'staying online' or using the interactive mode for live online sessions and general browsing and shopping. It is my opinion that the success of Whap! has actually led to a decline in live participation in events such as formal conferences. I've made some suggestions to the sysops here for ways that maybe we can supplement the formal CO's with a sort of OFF LINE CONFERENCE… a structured message thread. It needs to be fleshed out, but I think I'm going to try it and see how it works. Do you have any suggestions on how to get more people out from behind the 'lurking curtain' and more actively involved in the forum? // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42333From: Skip DyrdaAug 11, 1992 9:39 PM
Michael, I obviously tend to agree with you. I use WHAP! ALL the time. It's my fault that I havn't tried using the interactive feature more often but WHAP! kinda does that to you. It's just sooooo easy to click a few gadgets and sit back and watch. I often thought of trying Alladin on Genie but I browse around there once in awhile and was afraid of the same thing happening there as happened here. On CIS, I really don't ever see whats new unless I read it in their magazine. I'd also probably get in on some online discussions if I had more direct access to them with WHAP!. I know it's being lazy<g>. I offer no defense<g>….. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42385From: Gracia M. LittauerAug 12, 1992 9:11 PM
Michael. I think it's fear that keeps people from joining in. Most people hate to make "fools" of themselves and when you put something in writing for all to see, it's scary. And if you have nothing to offer except question you may feel you are not doing your share. I know I felt that way, but I'm a performer and have that problem all the time and know the only way to cure it is to plunge in. And as you commented to me, questions start the juices going and everyone learns something. So I guess I'll keep asking "dumb' question <:^}>. Desperate in the boonies, Gracia – via Coolwhap
#42400From: Michael GerardAug 13, 1992 8:13 AM
Gracia- Good comments! What types of activities in the forum do you think would get more lurkers to participate in both hte message base nad/or conferences? // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42493From: Gracia M. LittauerAug 16, 1992 6:39 PM
Michael, It's hard to catch lurkers. At first the fora seem a like an "old boys" club (I've only logged about 4 women so far beside Betty. Boardwatch Mag said the ratio was 15% to 85% in their "Most Popular BBS" contest. And less then 1% for none Mac or DS-DOS machines!!) If you stay around long enough you realize it's a bunch of very nice Amiga nuts who trip over themselves to help. Maybe a direct appeal every week or so, like a special "LURKERS MESSAGE…today ask that question you always wanted an answer to but were afraid to ask!" or LURKERS..what subjects do you want to start a thread?". Make them feel more at home. Ya, I can hear you guys saying "just like a woman". Well I am a woman and we do think in interpersonal terms more then men. But it works. Or start a an interesting subject thread to see what fish you can catch. The subject may be old hat to some, but might go off into more interesting subjects, IF IT DOESN'T APPEAR TO BE A PRIVATE CHAT, as some times happens. Lurkers may not KNOW they can butte in and join any thread without offending. Even I sometimes feel like I'm butting in, and I'm a big lould mouth <:^}>. ALSO HAVING WHAP! AND NOW AP MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE! I really got into it after I got Whap! Letting lurkers know more often that there is such a program will help. That's how I found it. I know you artfully sneak it in when you can <g> I haven't been to a conference because I can't stay on line long enough. I have yet to solve that problem. Static? But in a modern NY apt as well as the boonies of NC? I'm going to try the conference on the 18th. Maybe the moden gods will let it work (or it won't rain.) Gracia – via Coolwhap
#42501From: SyndesisAug 16, 1992 9:25 PM
I know I wish you'd jump right in! I haven't forgotten the bits and snippets of your background that I've picked up since you first appeared here, and a letter you wrote to the editor of a video magazine. Please, feel free to jump right in! I bet you've got a lot to say about video, production values, etc. – a sense of perspective and history would be a big help when the rest of us are shooting our mouths off. 🙂
#42550From: Michael GerardAug 19, 1992 12:13 PM
Gracia- I agree with all of your comments and suggestions, but one line in your message strikes a particularly funny image in my mind: "…it's a bunch of very nice Amiga nuts who trip over themselves to help." hehe… I keep seeing Kestone Kops running around waving AmigaDos manuals in the air. <g> // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42575From: Gracia M. LittauerAug 20, 1992 7:02 AM
Michael, I love your mental picture!!! But of course you are the worse offender <;^}>. When I first started lurking it seemed as if I was running into you in all forums and all section and you were always helping someone. I had an image of you spending all night on CI$ collecting plaintive cries for help. I don't know how you have time for business! Gracia – via Coolwhap _O_
#42580From: Michael GerardAug 20, 1992 1:36 PM
But Gracia… my image was fantasy… yours, reality. <g> // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42848From: Joanne DowAug 30, 1992 6:44 PM
Gee, Garcia, I bet you'd find it interesting to reflect that of the four services, CIS, BIX, GEnie, and Portal, 50% of the top Amiga folks are women. {o.o}
#42413From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 13, 1992 4:33 PM
Gracia, These forums need NOTHING more than good questions. We have many people here who are knowledgeable in almost anything connected with the Amiga – and far more besides. If they see a good question, they will take the time to answer and discuss it. Otherwise, it probably never occurs to them that everyone here doesn't know all about it. With enough good questions, we could have a dozen excellent threads going here all the time.
#42335From: Wayne SteeleAug 11, 1992 10:37 PM
Skip: I use CIS with both Whap! (for the Amiga forums) and Term (for basic services). When I log-on with Term, I enter *ANSI right after my user ID (no spaces). This forces CIS to give you a normal 80×24 ANSI terminal for that session. Since I use an interlaced screen, I also enter SET LINES 50 at the first ! prompt. As far as I can tell, this won't bother Whap! as long as you don't make these _session_ settings permanent. Wayne
#42363From: Skip DyrdaAug 12, 1992 3:37 PM
Wayne, I'll have to try that. I had some very strange things happen to my `settings' with out me touching them. Gets me all screwed up<g>. I just like to browse around every once in awhile. >>>>>Skip (SKP Graphics) <<<<<
#42296From: Tom RobinsonAug 11, 1992 1:28 AM
Michael, do you know if there's an ability for AP to view a weathermap or other GIF display online with the option to save it to disk? That seems to be the "going thing" on CIS these days, with some of the vendor areas having graphics displays of their products for real-time viewing. =Tom=
#42307From: Michael GerardAug 11, 1992 4:26 PM
Tom: No. AP is designed to get you online and offline as fast as possible to save you MONEY! Ap can, however, (via an arexx script) log on and automatically download a weathermap to your disk drive (or ram). // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42311From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 11, 1992 6:43 PM
Tom, Computers that cannot multitask need that ability to view online. But you can download the graphic and unpack it on the Amiga at about the same speed as you can view it on one of those programs. That is what both Whap! and AP are designed to do. (Gee, I'm glad to get a program that has no ! on the end.) Just download and unpack while the next download is coming.
#42683From: Jim SakladAug 23, 1992 11:11 PM
If you have the memory/disk space, it ALWAYS makes more sense to D/L the weathermap or GIF than to view it. Simply because it takes as long for CIS to send to the data to view as it does to D/L, and if the latter, you can look at it when you wand, for as long as you want. . . . . . JimDoc
#42681From: Jim SakladAug 23, 1992 11:10 PM
Michael – I hope that, once AutoPilot is released for general use, you and others who have been beta-testing it will upload scads of ARexx macros you have developed for it! . . . . . JimDoc
#42688From: Michael GerardAug 24, 1992 2:24 AM
Jim: I'm afraid I haven't written a single one, although others have. And they are pretty neat. I'm sure that Homer Moore will make some neat stuff available, and I'd be willing to bet that once AP is out for a month or so, you'll see lots of scripts… in fact, I'd bet that in just a short time after its release, there will be enough example scripts available that if there isn't one to do EXACTLY what you want, you'll be able to modify someone else's easily. // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42264From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 9, 1992 7:38 PM
I've used AutoPilot most of the time for several months now, Karl. I think it was about the middle of May when I got 2.04 installed on my machine, and I began using AP immediately after that. I have written the docs for the demo version – finished that before I went to Utah last month. I hope to do the rest of the docs in the next two weeks. There are lots of nice features in AutoPilot that Whap! does not have. It looks nicer on the screen. It is more easily configured to your liking – has more ways to be configured. It supports AREXX so you can have it do most anything you can write in a script. It's really nice to be able to start reading messages from one forum as soon as AP moves on to the next one. I'd be hard pressed to tell you ALL of the things that are nicer, but I do think you will want it as soon as it is released.
#42265From: Karl SparklinAug 9, 1992 8:59 PM
Hmm, sounds juicy. By demo version, do you mean that it will initially be distributed as Whap was, with an initial version you would use 'till your check cleared? And then have registration "upgrade" it through CIS mail? Cool method, and fast. It will also be nice to have more sysops up to speed on the software than just Steve and Jim (as on Whap) to answer questions, since they tend to continue on and on as new users grab the demo Whap from the libraries. Gee, more work! Aren't you glad? What was in Utah? Karl – via Whap!
#42273From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 9, 1992 11:18 PM
It will be distributed in the same way. There are more AP features disabled in the demo, though. Getting the registered version of AP will give you a LOT of new features and usability. I attended a genealogy conference in Provo, Utah last month. Great fun, and an excellent library for research.
#42290From: Karl SparklinAug 10, 1992 8:57 PM
Has anyone kicked around any pricing numbers yet? Sounds neat, but Whap works well enough it'll hard to justify spending too much on AutoPilot. I wondered if it might be genealogy, as I thought you were pretty heavy into that. All those Mormons are good for record-keeping. I'd heard they were finally going to start distributing their data on CD-ROM last year; did that ever happen? Previously, you had to go to a Mormon church to use their records. Karl – via Whap!
#42300From: C. Davey UtterAug 11, 1992 2:31 AM
AutoPilot will be $20.00 for registered Whap! users. Can't wait. …Dave
#42330From: Karl SparklinAug 11, 1992 9:34 PM
Dave, $20? Great! I'll take one. Karl – via Whap!
#42359From: C. Davey UtterAug 12, 1992 12:50 PM
Yeah, me too, can't wait! …Dave
#42312From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 11, 1992 6:44 PM
Steve has already announced that upgrading from Whap! to AP will cost registered users only $20 – and it's worth it for all the nice new features. The Mormans are talking about distributing their information through other avenues besides their churches, but they have not done it. THey talked about making the information available on some of the online services such as CIS – though they did not want to be exclusive, and would have placed it on several. This did not happen. Now, they are talking about selling their CD-ROM system to public libraries and perhaps to individuals, but this is not yet a reality, either. They are not fast to act on such things, but their information is excellent once they decide to do it. They do sell their microfiche records at very reasonable prices. When the next release is made (before the end of the year, they say) I hope to buy the fiche for several areas in which I'm interested. I am not a member of their church, but I do appreciate all their genealogical materials and the fact that they let anyone use them.
#42329From: Karl SparklinAug 11, 1992 9:34 PM
Ooh, $20 is just dandy. I'll upgrade for sure, and then have another entry on the stack of software to get running! Karl – via Whap!
#42369From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 12, 1992 5:04 PM
Karl, I don't think you will have any trouble at all getting AutoPilot going. In fact, the instructions I wrote will probably bore you to death and you'll just do it from intuition.
#42336From: Wayne SteeleAug 11, 1992 10:37 PM
Betty: Since I've been away from CIS for a while, I've missed all this AutoPilot stuff. Can you tell me who I contact for information. Any idea as to how much and how soon? Is there a features list published somewhere? Wayne
#42349From: Michael GerardAug 12, 1992 9:02 AM
Wayne: AotoPilot has not yet been released. It will cost registered Whap! users $20. AP is an AmigaDos 2.0 only program and operates only in interlaced mode. Here's Steve's "Brag Sheet": AutoPilot is an automated program specifically designed to make CompuServe easy and fast for Amiga Users. It can manage all of your online tasks, most of them automatically and with a single click of your mouse. It has the ability to collect all of your mail, forum messages, and downloads of binary files. It has its own editor and message viewer in which you compose messages or replies to be uploaded. All reading and composing are done offline. AutoPilot can collect catalogs of the libraries and can then display the file descriptions individually for you to make your selections offline. When you sign on again, the files you selected will be automatically downloaded to your computer. AutoPilot can make CompuServe easy to use, affordable, and fun. Since it does its work quickly and gets you offline to do the slow work of reading, writing, and decompressing, it saves you many dollars. AutoPilot was inspired by the requests, comments, criticisms of Whap! users and haters. Hopefully this meets most of those needs. Some highlights of AutoPilot's features: * Read messages, browse downloads, perform all offline functions while online. Many of the various areas of the program multitask. * The number of Forums supported is limited only by memory and disk space. * Complete automated management of Forums. A full suite of message capture services including individual section support, threads and message headers. * Message reader provides split screen reply editing so you can view the message to which you are replying. Skip to next thread, print message, hold message, save an individual message to disk, save specific correspondence between yourself and another specified user ids, more. Has the ability to setup a file for download from <continued>
#42350From: Michael GerardAug 12, 1992 9:03 AM
within the message reader. * CompuServe B+ protocol (featuring resumable downloads) file transfers. * Full control over what actions are performed while online in each forum. Forums can be enabled or disabled with a click of the mouse. New forums can be added and removed by a mouseclick. * Full offline message reading support including searching, replying, originating, saving as CMail, saving private, and finding parent messages via a history feature. * A "history" feature that allows you to keep older messages. A history management feature so you may "prune" old messages back to a specific date. You may reply to messages displayed from the history file. This feature is available on a forum by forum basis. * A "hold message" feature that allows you to keep a message you want to reply to, but "not now". Held messages will displayed whenever you read that forum's messages until you specifically release the hold on the message or until you reply to it. * Complete automated management of CompuServe Mail. This includes uploads of files as CMail, auto-downloading of files, sending and receiving of text mail, internet messages, and ATT Mail. Also supports the CompuServe fax services. Support of CompuServe distribution lists and indirect support of private networks (ie. >CS:, >NHM:, etc.). * A forum library catalog database is maintained, as complete as you wish. Catalogs can be updated without the need to rescan the entire library. Catalogs can be sorted by upload date, file size, and library number. Catalogs contain no duplicate entries and you can delete entries from your catalog. Further search criteria may be delimited by keyword, filename, and uploader's user id. * File uploads to forum libraries support binary, ascii, and GIF formats. * An address book, accessible at all times, allows you to save address information complete with comments. Addresses can be automatically <continued>
#42351From: Michael GerardAug 12, 1992 9:03 AM
pulled out of messages being viewed and automatically inserted into the address book. * Joining new forums is fully automatic. * Features a general text editor for viewing files, creating files and editing files. * Contains a full featured terminal program with a "live" review buffer, FKey macro support, chat window, ascii screen print, more. * ARexx support internally and externally, including calling ARexx macros from FKey macros within the terminal program. AutoPilot requires 2.0x of the Amiga OS. It is hires/interlace only. Hardware requirements are an Amiga (of course), hard disk, and a minimum of 2M ram (the more the better). -sja // Michael \X/ …on AutoPilot
#42417From: Wayne SteeleAug 13, 1992 7:10 PM
Michael: Thank you for the information on AutoPilot. Sounds like a very nice product. I can't wait until it's released. In the meantime, I guess I better get my copy of Whap! registered. Wayne
#42468From: John G. AtaAug 15, 1992 5:48 PM
Why the requirement that AutoPilot be interlace only? This will make it difficult for those without flixerfixers or A3000 to use. Does this mean that AutoPilot will automatically create an interlaced screen, or will it return an error if the Preferences setting is not interlaced? John
#42478From: Michael GerardAug 16, 1992 1:03 AM
John: AutoPilot opens in a hires public screen. It is believed that hires interlaced is the future for productivity, allowing a much more usable screen, and AP _is_ the near future of Amiga telecommunications on CIS. You can still run AP on a 1084 type monitor, but you will need to adjust your brightness and contrast to (and/or workbench colors) to minimize the flicker.
#42482From: John G. AtaAug 16, 1992 3:44 PM
While I understand your point of view and agree that hires interlaced is the future for productivity, I guess I am at a loss as to how supporting a hires non-interlaced screen takes away from the functionality of AP. After all, any word processor is more usable at hires, interlaced mode since you get more lines on the screen. However, the penalty a user gets for choosing non-interlaced mode is a limitation of 80×25 (actually I get more because of overscan). Why not let the user make that decision? When I purchased Excellence 3.0, it came with the default set to an interlaced screen. Admittedly, it is more useful that way but I chose to use a non-interlaced screen not only for the flicker, but because the characters were larger and easier to read on my tired eyes. On my 386PC at work, I run some applications in VGA 50+ line mode but have left some applications at 80×25 simply because it was easier to read. It would be nice if the user had a choice, and if they chose non-interlaced, would simply pay the penalty of a reduced number of lines on the screen. On another note, does a public screen inherit the Preference characteristics or can the WB be set at hires non-interlaced but AP would just open a hires interlaced screen inheriting the WB Preference colors. Thanks for your time, John
#42486From: Wayne SteeleAug 16, 1992 5:07 PM
I agree that the choice should be left to the user. Not everyone can afford a de-interlacer and the necessary monitor. I happen to have both, but I still think there are uses for non-interlaced screens. As for larger characters, programs that are Release 2 compliant should support larger font sizes. Using an interlaced screen with these larger sizes looks quite nice and is quite readable. Again, user choice is the key issue here. Wayne
#42370From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 12, 1992 5:04 PM
Wayne, AutoPilot is a new navigator for CIS. It is not based on Whap, but it does the same job, only much better, and has a great many features that WHap! never had. It is not yet ready for release, but will be coming to you in the VERY near future. I believe that Steve put a list of its features in one of the libraries a couple of weeks ago, but I do not remember where at this moment. I suspect it would be in AmigaUser, Library 5. The price has not been announced, so far as I know, other than the fact that it will cost $20 to upgrade from Whap! to AP. The release date has not been announced, but should be very, very soon. The most recent beta version was released about the middle of July and it is now about the middle of August, so this version has been doing extremely well for the testers.
#42382From: Steve AhlstromAug 12, 1992 8:43 PM
There'll be at least 1 more beta version.
#42412From: Betty Clay/SYSOPAug 13, 1992 4:33 PM
So I'd best get VERY busy, right?