#Paint or publish?
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My wife would like to be able to make some posters. For now, I'm limited
to a 24 pin, dot matrix printer (Epson LQ-850). In the near future, I'm
looking at going to a color desk jet (HP or Canon).
Would I be better off getting a paint program (DPaint or Personal Paint)
or going with a desktop publishing package. I can only afford one. The
program must be extremely easy to use, or she won't bother. She wants to
be able to integrate text and graphics (clip art). Would a word processor
work? I have excellence!, but it won't let you wrap text around a
graphic.
Steve
Steve,
It depends on the quality that you are looking for, the skills you (or
your wife) want to develop and the cost.
First off, if you are doing full size posters you will have to go with a
professional system with a long learning curve and big $$$. If all you
want are flyers or newsletter type publications then there are a number of
low end options open to you.
The first step you could do would be to use a paint program. For
graphics, I think most people would agree that a PAINT program is easier
than a structured DRAW program but the printed quality of the DRAW program
is better after all is done. If the project has a lot of graphics and you
aren't too concerned about having HiRes quality then go with a paint
program such as DPaint. It will allow you to do logos and *simple* text
layout but it would look amateurish.
The second level would be to include a wordprocessor such as FinalCopyII
or ProWrite. Each of these provide basic text and graphics layout and you
can import paint files to print up with your docs. FCII also has built in
structured graphics capabilities for simple hilites, etc. So a paint
program and a wordprocessor will give you cost effective, simple but
adequate results. There are also entery level DTP programs that combine
everything in one package (ie. Gold Disks' PageSetter which I have not
used).
The next step would be a desktop publishing program and possibly a
structure draw program. Each of these will give you professional quality
at the expense of more $$$ and difficulty. A full system would include
all these programs and more.
Basically, it comes down to what you want for how much. It would be best
to start simple and work up. I hope this helps.
Andrew
Andrew,
Thanks for your reply. What you've outlined sounds like the conclusions I
had drawn for myself. Does DPaint (Or Personal Paint) have the ability to
rotate text? My wife would like the ability to have text running around
the border of the page. If she can rotate text in DPaint, she could make
a "brush" (is that the right term?) and stamp it around the page after
rotating it.
AmigaWorld had a review of Personal Paint this month. It seems to be
going for a little less money than DPaint, but doesn't have animation
capability. Also, should I go for a program that has AGA capability even
though I don't have an AGA Amiga yet? What kind of upgrade programs have
Electronic Arts and whoever wrote Personal Paint had in the past?
Steve
Steve,
Glad to be useful! 8^)
Yes, DPaint will let you rotate brushes in 1 degree increments. For 90
degree rotation it is fine however, due to the nature of bit maps, non 90
degree turns can cause the image to get jagged (requiring touchup). She
can also wrap the brushes to various shapes, bend and stretch, flip etc.
But again, the problem with bit maps is the more you work 'em the more
jagged they can get. That's what is nice about draw programs such as
ProDraw or ArtExpression, etc they don't get jagged from overworking.
It would seem that font support is the same in both DP4 & Personal Paint.
PP looks like a good product but I would bet it is missing more than just
the animation capabilities but it will likely do the job well. It may
have some features that DP4 doesn't.
I'd recommend not to worry about AGA until you have to. If you are not
planning on getting an AGA system now then the s/w may change by the time
you do, anyway. The upgrade for DP4 is $30, I think. I don't know about
Haitex.
Although I have not used it I suggest you take a look at PageSetter, as I
mentioned, because it has a DTP, paint and wordprocessor in one package
for the price of a paint program ($129 list). Do a posting, however,
because I don't know if it lives up to it's claims.
Andrew
Might be better off using a 35mm or Large Format Still Camera and Tripod
and shooting off yer Monitor and taking the SLIDE to a Printshop and have
them Print the Full color Posters. Probably also be more cost effective.,
That's also an interesting solution, although I would need the software to
generate the posters in the first place. I think my wife is looking more
at doing handout type worksheets than full-size posters. Thanks for
answering.
Steve
No problem matey. If all she wants are 8*10 inch printout try to find
someplace with a Sony UDP-7000, the output is Gorgeous.
>>"Would I be better off getting a paint program (DPaint or Personal
Paint) or going with a desktop publishing package. I can only afford
one." <<
Steve –
I'd like to pop in here with my 2cents worth.
If your wife wants to produce the best possible posters/handouts from
an output device such as the Epson printer. I would suggest leaning
towards the DTP applications rather than the paint programs such as
Dpaint. And don't even consider WP's. I mean, lets use the 'right tool
for the job'
The advantage of using a program such as PageSetter (Gold Disk) is that
you will be outputting using CGfonts for all text and have an ablity of
using structured drawings & clips (which can be purchased, found in the
Libs here, or made yourself with ProDraw). Dpaint is good for making
really great pictures on screen, or for really getting into computer art
for Arts sake, but I have never seen the advantage when it comes to
wanting quality output from such a program. An entry level program such
as PageSetter will import bitmap clip art, use a great selection of fonts
(and rotate the fonts any way you want), and output to the printer at the
highest possible resolution (probably 300dpi for the 24pin). Its the base
program for furter expansion towards a really good DTP system. With add
on programs such as POST you can even output Postscript to your dot matrix
printer.
I say this because I do it all the time. I produce flyers, comment
cards, posters etc. All for my business and all using ProPage. (course I
also have a Postscript Laser printer, but the 24 wire will do good work
also). What you have to think about is how many copies of the
poster/flyer do you want. In most cases (anything more than 10 – IMHO)
what you are going to want to do is produce your MASTER copy on your
computer/printer and then take that copy to the local copy center. Most
photo-copiers these days can take an 8×10 page (your master) and blow it
up to 11×14, 14×22 or even larger. In most cases 300dpi output is perfect
for photo coping and enlarging and doing local small business type of
work.
Of course I'm talking B&W output (the only practical solution for small
time DTP work & small business needs) Two or Three color flyers are
somewhat available if you want to pay the price at the copy center, but
for small production runs (500 or less) it is usually kind of high (IMHO).
A couple of other solutions include using one color ink on a color stock
– perfect for flyers and posters. I have also taken my 8×10 Masters, have
had them enlarged to say 14×22, made 6 to 10 copies and then hand colored
them for a real local personalized look.
Basicly, I'm just say to really analize what you want to do. What do
you mean when you say "make some posters". If your talking about posters
to Advertise something – then you what you are doing is Desk Top
Publishing! and you need a DTP program and one made for that need. The 3
programs you should consider are; PageSetter or ProPage (both Gold Disk)
or PageStream (Soft-Logic). BTW these programs with also do much larger
posters and banners than 8×10 and they will 'tile' the output to any paper
size and then you can cut and tape the resulting pages together and have
your large banner.
Of course these are all my opinions, but I just don't think you want to
get a program such as Dpaint for doing 'Posters'. I have Dpaint (have had
for years) and hardly ever use it. I use Ppage all the time though and
love it.
Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming
– OnLine with CIS since 1985 –
Roy,
Thanks for your reply. Can PageSetter rotate text? What about ProPage?
After talking further with my wife, she isn't really interested in doing
the drawings herself, so I'm leaning heavily toward a DTP product. Does
Gold Disk offer an upgrade path from PageSetter to ProPage?
Steve
Steve –
I do believe that PageSetter will rotate text. It is a entry level
program to ProPage and has all the features of it's big daddy except (and
your best be is to check out AmigaUser forum and the Gold Disk rep hangs
out there) color and postscript.
I'm not sure about the upgrade path – I would think so. But you know
some mail order places are sell ProPage for as little as $140. Saw an ad
for Creative selling both ProPage & ProDraw as a package for only $159. I
can't find a listing for PageSetter, but I say, if you can at all afford
it go for the bundly of PP & PD. Then go out and have fun.
PS – Steve,
Sooner or later the SysOp's are going to ask you to change your name to
a full First and Last name. It's a policy around here – and a good one
too. Do you know how many Steve's we have lurking and communicating in
these forums. Just go to your OPitions and change your name.
Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming
– OnLine with CIS since 1985 –
Roy,
It looks like I'll be buying the ProPage/Draw package pretty soon. Are
you sure it was $159? The August AmigaWorld listed it at $185. Maybe I
waited too long. I plan to call and order tomorrow morning, could be up
and working by Tuesday, so look for lots of questions!
I thought I was logged on here with my full name. I am on the other
forums. I'll sign off using my full name until I get a chance to check on
it.
Can I survive with just 512K chip ram? I'm trying to decide between
MegaChip and buying the 1M Agnus.
Steve Eckhart
Steve –
Check the September issue of AW, page 50 – The 6th page of the Creative
Computers ad. The bundle is "Exclusive Super Priced" at $159.
The more chip ram the better with those two together. And you will
definately need more the the 512K – In fact you won't get much usefulness
out of ProPage with 512k.
No problem with the question, ask away. But you'll have myself and
lots others if you ask them over in the AmigaUser DTP area. There are
lots of Ppage users around those parts.
Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming
– OnLine with CIS since 1985 –