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#Paint or publish?

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#34087From: Steve EckhartAug 10, 1993 6:50 PM
My wife would like to be able to make some posters. For now, I'm limited to a 24 pin, dot matrix printer (Epson LQ-850). In the near future, I'm looking at going to a color desk jet (HP or Canon). Would I be better off getting a paint program (DPaint or Personal Paint) or going with a desktop publishing package. I can only afford one. The program must be extremely easy to use, or she won't bother. She wants to be able to integrate text and graphics (clip art). Would a word processor work? I have excellence!, but it won't let you wrap text around a graphic. Steve
#34099From: Andrew PorterAug 10, 1993 9:53 PM
Steve, It depends on the quality that you are looking for, the skills you (or your wife) want to develop and the cost. First off, if you are doing full size posters you will have to go with a professional system with a long learning curve and big $$$. If all you want are flyers or newsletter type publications then there are a number of low end options open to you. The first step you could do would be to use a paint program. For graphics, I think most people would agree that a PAINT program is easier than a structured DRAW program but the printed quality of the DRAW program is better after all is done. If the project has a lot of graphics and you aren't too concerned about having HiRes quality then go with a paint program such as DPaint. It will allow you to do logos and *simple* text layout but it would look amateurish. The second level would be to include a wordprocessor such as FinalCopyII or ProWrite. Each of these provide basic text and graphics layout and you can import paint files to print up with your docs. FCII also has built in structured graphics capabilities for simple hilites, etc. So a paint program and a wordprocessor will give you cost effective, simple but adequate results. There are also entery level DTP programs that combine everything in one package (ie. Gold Disks' PageSetter which I have not used). The next step would be a desktop publishing program and possibly a structure draw program. Each of these will give you professional quality at the expense of more $$$ and difficulty. A full system would include all these programs and more. Basically, it comes down to what you want for how much. It would be best to start simple and work up. I hope this helps. Andrew
#34180From: Steve EckhartAug 13, 1993 12:02 AM
Andrew, Thanks for your reply. What you've outlined sounds like the conclusions I had drawn for myself. Does DPaint (Or Personal Paint) have the ability to rotate text? My wife would like the ability to have text running around the border of the page. If she can rotate text in DPaint, she could make a "brush" (is that the right term?) and stamp it around the page after rotating it. AmigaWorld had a review of Personal Paint this month. It seems to be going for a little less money than DPaint, but doesn't have animation capability. Also, should I go for a program that has AGA capability even though I don't have an AGA Amiga yet? What kind of upgrade programs have Electronic Arts and whoever wrote Personal Paint had in the past? Steve
#34185From: Andrew PorterAug 13, 1993 1:34 AM
Steve, Glad to be useful! 8^) Yes, DPaint will let you rotate brushes in 1 degree increments. For 90 degree rotation it is fine however, due to the nature of bit maps, non 90 degree turns can cause the image to get jagged (requiring touchup). She can also wrap the brushes to various shapes, bend and stretch, flip etc. But again, the problem with bit maps is the more you work 'em the more jagged they can get. That's what is nice about draw programs such as ProDraw or ArtExpression, etc they don't get jagged from overworking. It would seem that font support is the same in both DP4 & Personal Paint. PP looks like a good product but I would bet it is missing more than just the animation capabilities but it will likely do the job well. It may have some features that DP4 doesn't. I'd recommend not to worry about AGA until you have to. If you are not planning on getting an AGA system now then the s/w may change by the time you do, anyway. The upgrade for DP4 is $30, I think. I don't know about Haitex. Although I have not used it I suggest you take a look at PageSetter, as I mentioned, because it has a DTP, paint and wordprocessor in one package for the price of a paint program ($129 list). Do a posting, however, because I don't know if it lives up to it's claims. Andrew
#34132From: Peter GreciAug 11, 1993 4:07 PM
Might be better off using a 35mm or Large Format Still Camera and Tripod and shooting off yer Monitor and taking the SLIDE to a Printshop and have them Print the Full color Posters. Probably also be more cost effective.,
#34181From: Steve EckhartAug 13, 1993 12:02 AM
That's also an interesting solution, although I would need the software to generate the posters in the first place. I think my wife is looking more at doing handout type worksheets than full-size posters. Thanks for answering. Steve
#34213From: Peter GreciAug 13, 1993 2:55 PM
No problem matey. If all she wants are 8*10 inch printout try to find someplace with a Sony UDP-7000, the output is Gorgeous.
#34230From: Roy PahnkeAug 14, 1993 1:15 PM
>>"Would I be better off getting a paint program (DPaint or Personal Paint) or going with a desktop publishing package. I can only afford one." << Steve – I'd like to pop in here with my 2cents worth. If your wife wants to produce the best possible posters/handouts from an output device such as the Epson printer. I would suggest leaning towards the DTP applications rather than the paint programs such as Dpaint. And don't even consider WP's. I mean, lets use the 'right tool for the job' The advantage of using a program such as PageSetter (Gold Disk) is that you will be outputting using CGfonts for all text and have an ablity of using structured drawings & clips (which can be purchased, found in the Libs here, or made yourself with ProDraw). Dpaint is good for making really great pictures on screen, or for really getting into computer art for Arts sake, but I have never seen the advantage when it comes to wanting quality output from such a program. An entry level program such as PageSetter will import bitmap clip art, use a great selection of fonts (and rotate the fonts any way you want), and output to the printer at the highest possible resolution (probably 300dpi for the 24pin). Its the base program for furter expansion towards a really good DTP system. With add on programs such as POST you can even output Postscript to your dot matrix printer. I say this because I do it all the time. I produce flyers, comment cards, posters etc. All for my business and all using ProPage. (course I also have a Postscript Laser printer, but the 24 wire will do good work also). What you have to think about is how many copies of the poster/flyer do you want. In most cases (anything more than 10 – IMHO) what you are going to want to do is produce your MASTER copy on your computer/printer and then take that copy to the local copy center. Most photo-copiers these days can take an 8×10 page (your master) and blow it up to 11×14, 14×22 or even larger. In most cases 300dpi output is perfect for photo coping and enlarging and doing local small business type of work. Of course I'm talking B&W output (the only practical solution for small time DTP work & small business needs) Two or Three color flyers are somewhat available if you want to pay the price at the copy center, but for small production runs (500 or less) it is usually kind of high (IMHO). A couple of other solutions include using one color ink on a color stock – perfect for flyers and posters. I have also taken my 8×10 Masters, have had them enlarged to say 14×22, made 6 to 10 copies and then hand colored them for a real local personalized look. Basicly, I'm just say to really analize what you want to do. What do you mean when you say "make some posters". If your talking about posters to Advertise something – then you what you are doing is Desk Top Publishing! and you need a DTP program and one made for that need. The 3 programs you should consider are; PageSetter or ProPage (both Gold Disk) or PageStream (Soft-Logic). BTW these programs with also do much larger posters and banners than 8×10 and they will 'tile' the output to any paper size and then you can cut and tape the resulting pages together and have your large banner. Of course these are all my opinions, but I just don't think you want to get a program such as Dpaint for doing 'Posters'. I have Dpaint (have had for years) and hardly ever use it. I use Ppage all the time though and love it. Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming – OnLine with CIS since 1985 –
#34233From: Steve EckhartAug 14, 1993 4:27 PM
Roy, Thanks for your reply. Can PageSetter rotate text? What about ProPage? After talking further with my wife, she isn't really interested in doing the drawings herself, so I'm leaning heavily toward a DTP product. Does Gold Disk offer an upgrade path from PageSetter to ProPage? Steve
#34253From: Roy PahnkeAug 15, 1993 11:48 AM
Steve – I do believe that PageSetter will rotate text. It is a entry level program to ProPage and has all the features of it's big daddy except (and your best be is to check out AmigaUser forum and the Gold Disk rep hangs out there) color and postscript. I'm not sure about the upgrade path – I would think so. But you know some mail order places are sell ProPage for as little as $140. Saw an ad for Creative selling both ProPage & ProDraw as a package for only $159. I can't find a listing for PageSetter, but I say, if you can at all afford it go for the bundly of PP & PD. Then go out and have fun. PS – Steve, Sooner or later the SysOp's are going to ask you to change your name to a full First and Last name. It's a policy around here – and a good one too. Do you know how many Steve's we have lurking and communicating in these forums. Just go to your OPitions and change your name. Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming – OnLine with CIS since 1985 –
#34270From: Steve EckhartAug 15, 1993 11:35 PM
Roy, It looks like I'll be buying the ProPage/Draw package pretty soon. Are you sure it was $159? The August AmigaWorld listed it at $185. Maybe I waited too long. I plan to call and order tomorrow morning, could be up and working by Tuesday, so look for lots of questions! I thought I was logged on here with my full name. I am on the other forums. I'll sign off using my full name until I get a chance to check on it. Can I survive with just 512K chip ram? I'm trying to decide between MegaChip and buying the 1M Agnus. Steve Eckhart
#34309From: Roy PahnkeAug 17, 1993 12:13 AM
Steve – Check the September issue of AW, page 50 – The 6th page of the Creative Computers ad. The bundle is "Exclusive Super Priced" at $159. The more chip ram the better with those two together. And you will definately need more the the 512K – In fact you won't get much usefulness out of ProPage with 512k. No problem with the question, ask away. But you'll have myself and lots others if you ask them over in the AmigaUser DTP area. There are lots of Ppage users around those parts. Roy Pahnke – Casper, Wyoming – OnLine with CIS since 1985 –