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#HI-8 Question

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#72289From: EdgarJan 14, 1994 10:11 PM
I was wondering if anybody here is doing any single frame recording to HI-8, I am having problems with the tapes I use, I get LOTS!!!!!!!!!! of drop outs.
#72355From: Patrick WhiteJan 15, 1994 11:02 PM
What model/brand tape are you using? Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72366From: EdgarJan 16, 1994 1:34 AM
I am using Sony P6-60HMPX, people at the different studios I do work for always tell me to use "ME" tape, but there's a sticker on top of my recorder that says not to.
#72399From: Patrick WhiteJan 16, 1994 9:24 PM
You probably know this but use the best Metal Evaporated Tapes, not the Metal Particle Tapes. Still with such a small size tape format, dropouts. I hear are fairly common. (I haven't had that problem, yet.) Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72431From: David HazinskiJan 17, 1994 11:31 AM
You can try two things: 1) Fuji tapes. I haven't used them but I understand they're a bit hardier. 2) Repack the Sony tapes you're using. They're pro quality but you can improve them. Repacking should eliminate 80 to 90 percent of your dropouts. Simply run the tape fast forward all the way to the and rewind it back to the head before you start shooting. We used to do this in the old days with 3/4 tapes. I think you will find repacking will make a major difference. I was so unsatisfied with dropouts I refused to shoot Hi8 until I found out about this trick. It will make a difference.
#72461From: EdgarJan 17, 1994 7:33 PM
I didn't know about repacking, I will give that a try right away. Thanks.
#72574From: Patrick WhiteJan 19, 1994 9:32 PM
David, I'll try the droout trick. Yesterday we shot a personal ducomentary of the record snowfall here in Louisville. Came home that night to view the tape and it was nothing but dropout city. The shots were recorded on a CCD-F40 8mm Sony camcorder but this time, for some reason I used my production Hi-8 tape. Two things I think caused the dropouts, 1). using camcorder in -40 weather, 2). heads need to be cleaned or could it be using Hi-8 tape (don't know why I used this, ((by mistake)) ). Scratching my frozen head. Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72646From: David SchachterJan 20, 1994 3:48 PM
To reduce dropout problems with Hi8: 1. Don't use Sony tape. 2. Use Fuji Doublecoat (about $7) or Super Doublecoat (about $16) tapes. 3. Don't use Sony tape. 4. Keep your camcorder clean. — Seal ports where dust gets in, if shooting in a dusty environment — Run the cleaning tape, following the instructions, if you notice a noisy video signal — Have your camcorder/vtr cleaned at "reasonable" intervals; if there's a layer of dust on the outside, it's probably time to have the machine cleaned. 5. Don't use Sony tape. The best Hi8 tape on the market, according to an objective tape test in Video magazine, and according to many people's subjective opinions (including mine), and according to a quick little tape test I did, comparing color bars by eye and on a waveform monitor/vectorscope, is Fuji M221 Super Doublecoat. Dropouts are rare and picture quality holds up quite nicely. If you notice a lot of dropouts on a tape, you may find some of them vanish on repeat playings. The vanished dropouts aren't really dropouts; they're dust or other glop on the tape that fell off during playing, making the video signal underneath accessible on future playings. Some people recommend repacking tapes before recording them. Some recommend leaving tapes tails-out, so you have to rewind before playing them. I have no experience with either of these techniques. Two good sources for Fuji tapes ("good" is defined to be "excellent prices and fast delivery") are Tape World, at +1 800 328 8273 (which spells "DAT TAPE"– cute, huh?), and HAVE, at +1 800 999 4283 (which spells "HAVE"). Good luck. — David Schachter __ David Schachter 801 Middlefield Road, #8 Palo Alto, CA 94301-2916 USA Voice: +1 415 328 7425 (after 10 am) Fax: +1 415 328 7154 Internet: ds@netcom.com (preferred) CompuServe: 70714, 3017 (slower)
#72678From: Patrick WhiteJan 20, 1994 10:48 PM
David, I bet you mean, "don't use Sony tape". (couldn't resist, <g>) Your advice will go in my tips from the experts. Thanks for the help. Since almost everything, (except my AMYS) are from SONY in my house, it has just been a habit to choose Sony tape. I'll give Fuji a try. Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72647From: David SchachterJan 20, 1994 3:48 PM
And another thing– -40 degree weather?! (Fahrenheit or Centigrade [snicker, snicker]) Consumer camcorders are not meant to be used at such extremes. Neither are industrial cameras, for that matter. Keep the machine warm until the last minute and use it from within a weather enclosure if possible. (Sony sells bright yellow "SportsPaks" for some camcorder models.) Keep the tape warm. Keep the batteries warm. And even so, don't be surprised if results are poorer than expected. As the tape gets colder, it is reasonable to expect it to get stiffer, perhaps failing to make as close contact with the video heads as it should, resulting in what appear to be dropouts. (They might be dropouts or just loss of contact; the result is the same.) Note: I don't know what I'm writing about; I'm just guessing. One rule of thumb: If you have to wear gloves to keep your fingers nimble enough to operate your camcorder or camera, it is too cold for the equipment to operate unprotected. Another rule of thumb: If you have opposable thumbs, you… never mind. — David Schachter __ David Schachter 801 Middlefield Road, #8 Palo Alto, CA 94301-2916 USA Voice: +1 415 328 7425 (after 10 am) Fax: +1 415 328 7154 Internet: ds@netcom.com (preferred) CompuServe: 70714, 3017 (slower)
#72679From: Patrick WhiteJan 20, 1994 10:48 PM
Thanks David. Rule #4: If it's -40 degrees F outside, build 230 degrees F fire in fireplace and drink 110 proof bourbon. (sounds like the cold may have played a big role in the dopouts…) Stay in school don't be a video dropout! Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72673From: Kent S. LidkeJan 20, 1994 9:14 PM
For what it's worth, I used a Sony Hi-8 camcorder fairly extensively in Antarctica at temps down to -50 C, and never had much dropout EXCEPT when using Sony tape. Of course, that's a DRY cold. 🙂
#72680From: Patrick WhiteJan 20, 1994 10:48 PM
Kent, There goes more bad marks for Sony tapes…. I'll purchase Fujis tomorrow. Thanks. Don't be a viedo dropout stay in broadcast college. (Antartica, boy I felt that close to being there Tueday with our -40 F.) Burning the Midnight Toast Patrick White
#72759From: Kent S. LidkeJan 21, 1994 10:38 PM
Yeah, I went to school in Troy, NY. Trust me, upstate in December is colder than Antarctica in December, no matter what the thermometers say. Hope it warms up for you. Kent Lidke Helo Pilot on AutoPilot
#72674From: Kent S. LidkeJan 20, 1994 9:14 PM
For what it's worth, I used a Sony Hi-8 camera extensively in Antarctica at temps down to -50 C and never had any significant dropout EXCEPT when using Sony tape. Of course, that was a DRY cold. 🙂