#HI-8 Question
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I was wondering if anybody here is doing any single frame recording to HI-8, I
am having problems with the tapes I use, I get LOTS!!!!!!!!!! of drop outs.
What model/brand tape are you using?
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
I am using Sony P6-60HMPX, people at the different studios I do work for always
tell me to use "ME" tape, but there's a sticker on top of my recorder that says
not to.
You probably know this but use the best Metal Evaporated Tapes, not the
Metal Particle Tapes. Still with such a small size tape format, dropouts.
I hear are fairly common. (I haven't had that problem, yet.)
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
You can try two things:
1) Fuji tapes. I haven't used them but I understand they're a bit hardier.
2) Repack the Sony tapes you're using. They're pro quality but you can improve
them. Repacking should eliminate 80 to 90 percent of your dropouts. Simply run
the tape fast forward all the way to the and rewind it back to the head before
you start shooting. We used to do this in the old days with 3/4 tapes.
I think you will find repacking will make a major difference. I was so
unsatisfied with dropouts I refused to shoot Hi8 until I found out about this
trick. It will make a difference.
I didn't know about repacking, I will give that a try right away. Thanks.
David,
I'll try the droout trick.
Yesterday we shot a personal ducomentary of the record snowfall here
in Louisville. Came home that night to view the tape and it was
nothing but dropout city. The shots were recorded on a CCD-F40 8mm
Sony camcorder but this time, for some reason I used my production
Hi-8 tape. Two things I think caused the dropouts, 1). using
camcorder in -40 weather, 2). heads need to be cleaned or could it be
using Hi-8 tape (don't know why I used this, ((by mistake)) ).
Scratching my frozen head.
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
To reduce dropout problems with Hi8:
1. Don't use Sony tape. 2. Use Fuji Doublecoat (about $7) or Super Doublecoat
(about $16) tapes. 3. Don't use Sony tape. 4. Keep your camcorder clean.
— Seal ports where dust gets in, if shooting in a dusty environment
— Run the cleaning tape, following the instructions, if you notice
a noisy video signal
— Have your camcorder/vtr cleaned at "reasonable" intervals; if there's
a layer of dust on the outside, it's probably time to have the machine
cleaned. 5. Don't use Sony tape.
The best Hi8 tape on the market, according to an objective tape test in Video
magazine, and according to many people's subjective opinions (including mine),
and according to a quick little tape test I did, comparing color bars by eye
and on a waveform monitor/vectorscope, is Fuji M221 Super Doublecoat. Dropouts
are rare and picture quality holds up quite nicely.
If you notice a lot of dropouts on a tape, you may find some of them vanish on
repeat playings. The vanished dropouts aren't really dropouts; they're dust or
other glop on the tape that fell off during playing, making the video signal
underneath accessible on future playings.
Some people recommend repacking tapes before recording them. Some recommend
leaving tapes tails-out, so you have to rewind before playing them. I have no
experience with either of these techniques.
Two good sources for Fuji tapes ("good" is defined to be "excellent prices and
fast delivery") are Tape World, at +1 800 328 8273 (which spells "DAT TAPE"–
cute, huh?), and HAVE, at +1 800 999 4283 (which spells "HAVE"). Good luck.
— David Schachter
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David,
I bet you mean, "don't use Sony tape". (couldn't resist, <g>)
Your advice will go in my tips from the experts. Thanks for the help.
Since almost everything, (except my AMYS) are from SONY in my house, it
has just been a habit to choose Sony tape. I'll give Fuji a try.
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
And another thing–
-40 degree weather?! (Fahrenheit or Centigrade [snicker, snicker])
Consumer camcorders are not meant to be used at such extremes.
Neither are industrial cameras, for that matter. Keep the machine
warm until the last minute and use it from within a weather enclosure
if possible. (Sony sells bright yellow "SportsPaks" for some
camcorder models.) Keep the tape warm. Keep the batteries warm.
And even so, don't be surprised if results are poorer than expected. As the
tape gets colder, it is reasonable to expect it to get stiffer, perhaps failing
to make as close contact with the video heads as it should, resulting in what
appear to be dropouts. (They might be dropouts or just loss of contact; the
result is the same.) Note: I don't know what I'm writing about; I'm just
guessing.
One rule of thumb: If you have to wear gloves to keep your fingers nimble
enough to operate your camcorder or camera, it is too cold for the equipment to
operate unprotected.
Another rule of thumb: If you have opposable thumbs, you… never mind.
— David Schachter
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David Schachter
801 Middlefield Road, #8
Palo Alto, CA 94301-2916 USA
Voice: +1 415 328 7425 (after 10 am)
Fax: +1 415 328 7154
Internet: ds@netcom.com (preferred)
CompuServe: 70714, 3017 (slower)
Thanks David.
Rule #4: If it's -40 degrees F outside, build 230 degrees F fire in
fireplace and drink 110 proof bourbon.
(sounds like the cold may have played a big role in the dopouts…)
Stay in school don't be a video dropout!
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
For what it's worth, I used a Sony Hi-8 camcorder fairly extensively
in Antarctica at temps down to -50 C, and never had much dropout
EXCEPT when using Sony tape. Of course, that's a DRY cold. 🙂
Kent,
There goes more bad marks for Sony tapes….
I'll purchase Fujis tomorrow. Thanks.
Don't be a viedo dropout stay in broadcast college.
(Antartica, boy I felt that close to being there Tueday with our -40 F.)
Burning the Midnight Toast
Patrick White
Yeah, I went to school in Troy, NY. Trust me, upstate in December is
colder than Antarctica in December, no matter what the thermometers say.
Hope it warms up for you.
Kent Lidke
Helo Pilot on AutoPilot
For what it's worth, I used a Sony Hi-8 camera extensively in
Antarctica at temps down to -50 C and never had any significant
dropout EXCEPT when using Sony tape. Of course, that was a DRY cold.
🙂