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#Brother to Amiga

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#1179From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 19, 1990 2:20 PM
Does anyone know of any way for the Amiga to read disks formatted on a Brother word processor? A friend has a project that I need off of one of the disks, and because it is 130 pages long, it's somewhat impractical to retype it all. The word processor uses standard 3.5" disks; I think the exact model number is the AX-75. Any ideas? Or, does any techie out there want to give it a try? Thanks in advance, J.R.
#1193From: Betty Clay/SYSOPSep 19, 1990 7:44 PM
Are those disks readable by some other computers you know about? For instance, can they be read by an IBM? I know nothing at all of their format, so it is hard to help you. Does the Brother have a serial port through which you could send the files over a null modem? Does it have the ability to send files? Betty
#1204From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 19, 1990 9:57 PM
Betty, No, the Brother has no ability to transfer files via a serial port of any kind. Its instruction manual states that it is incompatible with any other kind of system, but I am going to try using Dos-2-Dos to see if it can read the disk. It's a puzzling situation, but it would seem to me that the disk drive built into such a beast would be simple and cheap (the WP itself only sells for $450 or so in most places); so I can't imagine it being anything weird like a Macintosh drive with variable speed and such. Seems to me (although I don't claim to be a technical wizard) that some sort of software could be written to make the Amiga think its drive is that of the Brother, provided a schematic or other info on the Brother's drive could be had. Any ideas? Thanks, J.R.
#1212From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 19, 1990 11:08 PM
JR, The problem isn't the drive electronics…the problem with trying to read those disks is: 1. How many tracks 2. How many sides 3. How many sectors per track. 4. Method used to encode the data (MFM, RLL, GCR) 5. Is the text compressed 6. Are there control codes in the text 7. What does the sector header look like 8. What does a data sector look like 9. How are the files on the disk organized 10. Where is the sector map Get the idea? It's not as simple as can the disk be read, there are many variables involved, and to have any chance of success you've got to know most of them, and take an educated guess at the others. In particular, if you don't know how the Brother organizes it's files, even if you could read the data….you'd have no way to put it together. It'd be like several jigsaw puzzles all thrown together…and you'd have to separate it by hand and rebuild it. Don
#1276From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 20, 1990 6:57 PM
Don, Well, you certainly know more about it than I do! I wonder how I can go about discovering the necessary information… J.R.
#1299From: Don Curtis/SYSOPSep 20, 1990 11:20 PM
JR, Contact Brother…see if they are willing to move the text from your disk onto either an MS-DOS disk or an Amiga disk. Don
#1339From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 21, 1990 6:18 PM
Don, Not a bad suggestion, but until my friend decides to GO AMIGA, we may be doing quite a bit of this…! J.R.
#1871From: Jim VentolaSep 27, 1990 7:51 PM
Wild suggestion–maybe you have the wrong end of the stick? Is there some way to capture the data as it goes into the printer? Like CMD for the Amiga? That is, let the Brother print the files, but intercept them. If not, maybe it is time for OCR–but there is none for the Amiga. Still, if the Brother will print Courier, I believe you would have a good chance of getting it scanned and recognized at a sevice bureau.
#1938From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 28, 1990 12:32 AM
Yes, we are going to venture inside the Brother to see if there is some connection going from WP to printer that we can intercept. Also, the Brother is capable of using various fonts via available wheels, so I tthink there would be no problem with OCR. Thanks, J.R.
#1241From: Paul Christian NelisSep 20, 1990 9:09 AM
Don is right, J.R. If the document is less than thirty-five pages, or so, it would probably be easier (even knowing most of the things on Don's list) to simply re-type the document than to unravel and decode the information on the Brother's disk. It does sound like a marvelous excersize for a "nuts and bolts" disk techie, though. I wish I were more qualified to help –An Other Voice
#1277From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 20, 1990 6:59 PM
Paul, Yes, I agree with you as well. Unfortunately, the document is a 130-pg. screenplay broken into 4 or 5 different files; the writer wants to upgrade to an Amiga computer, but can't just yet, so we were trying to find anoother way to get his work into my computer to be printed on my LaserJet IIP. J.R.
#1303From: Mike SchillerSep 20, 1990 11:33 PM
JR: Have you thought of perhaps printing out the files on the Brother unit, and then taking them over to a copy center type place that can scan documents (there are several down here in Ft laud) and usually save them as either PC files, or Mac files (most of these places don't even know what an Amiga IS!), and then use a transfer utility (Dos-2-Dos, or CrossDos, or MSH available here) to get them to the Amiga disk? While this is a slow, possibly costly, pain in the neck way to do it, it can be done. If you do decide to go this route, find out from the place doing the scanning what font their scanner does best, and if you happen to have that font for the Brother, use it, or if it's no too expensive, perhaps you could buy the type wheel for it. -Mike Schiller In sunny Fort Lauderdale
#1340From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 21, 1990 6:20 PM
Mike, I have considered this; in fact, I have a friend in Delaware whose mother has a Mac that can change scanned pages into ASCII, but after the shipping and her time, it probably would just be easier to retype the thing. Hmmm…I was SURE there would be SOMEONE out there who has attempted this experiment!! J.R.
#1317From: John PendergrassSep 21, 1990 1:59 AM
Have you thought of printing it out and taking it to a shop where it can be OCR'd? (Optical Character Recognition) I would think that if the typeface was standard that you would be able to read 90%+ of the document accurately this way; beats retyping the entire thing. –jp– (why reinvent the Brother dos?)
#1341From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 21, 1990 6:20 PM
John, Yes, thanks, that's under consideration. Thanks. J.R.
#1405From: Paul Christian NelisSep 22, 1990 1:07 PM
J.R. I've forgotten, now. Did you say there is *no* other way out of that Brother than via the disk, or the internal typewriter? There's no DB9 connector, no parallel port, etc.? I'm hoping to see a solution to your problem 'cause I've a friend who is looking into dedicated wp's like your friend's Brother. I've not found a system with a standard data storage system and I'm a bit scared to let her (she's a grad school student) entrench herself in a system that provides no escape, as it were. Hope someone else has better ideas than I! –An Other Voice
#1458From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 22, 1990 9:43 PM
Paul, Nope! No serial, no parallel, no NOTHING other than a standard 3.5" disk drive and a built-in printer. I have tried loading the disk via Dos-2-Dos under MS-DOS, but it refuses it. The Brother instruction manual states that the disks use a proprietary formatting system which cannot (and this is how it reads!) be read by "any other word processor, personal computer", etc. I'm sure that anyone using one of these things would like to someday get a REAL computer…it'd be nice to have some way of transferring the files to another system format (even if it were MS-DOS). So, let's rally together somebody out there who's gutsy enough to investigate further! Any takers? Thanks, J.R.
#1568From: Trevor LaibSep 23, 1990 9:10 PM
J.R.: Does the Brother have a parallel port? Or let me put it like this, can the brother run an external printer or be run by an external computer? In either case, the apprropriate electrical connections might be made to send the data out to the 'printer' while actually reading it into the Amiga. Additionally, if the internal electionics are stolen from a Brother printer for a computer, the WP side of the box might be sending the internal data to the printer side by way of an internal printer port. Again, it might it possible to subvert that connection, if it exists, to your own needs. Call Brother Inc., and ask for technical support, you might get lucky! ————————————————————TL———-
#1257From: Betty Clay/SYSOPSep 20, 1990 4:55 PM
J.R., I would think that anyone wanting to get at that data would have to know something of the way it is stored on the disk. I believe that it is just ASCII files you want, so if some way can be found to read the characters, you can get them – but a driver would be necessary, and knowledge of the disk format of the Brother would be necessary to write that driver. Betty
#1278From: J.R. BOOKWALTERSep 20, 1990 7:00 PM
Betty, Yes, that's exactly what I am looking for…someone who may have already attempted this very task. Now if I can just find them… J.R.