MS/DOS-Amiga Xfer Help
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I've heard there are kinder, gentler, ways, though – or just other ways
of building this bridge. So – here come the questions:
1. Is using a null modem practical for this process? WHAT exactly is
a null modem and now does it work? Is there special equipment needed?
Where can you get it?
2. What about BBS transfers using two phone lines? Does there exist a
small, easy-to-use, modem for the PC that could act as a host? (My little
machine does have a modem.)
3. Has anyone used the Amiga/IBM versions of Protext – you are
supposed to be able to transfer directly through the serial port with that
one?
4. Has anyone used the Amiga/IBM versions of UEdit?
5. Does anyone have any comments on CrossDos VS DOS-2-DOS?
6. Are there any public domain programs that serve the same function?
7. Has anyone tried WordPerfect Exec or LetterPerfect for this
process?
(The programs for the busy executive.)
Please respond with your suggestions – I'm really trying to get this
process right. Thanks a lot in advance…..Nancy
Nancy,
1. A NULL modem is simply a serial-serial port hookup where the
wires in the hookup get "reversed" on certain pins from one end to the
other. Thus the TransmitData on one end, becomes the ReceiveData line on
the other end. The same is true for the CTS/RTS lines and DTR/DSR lines.
It's used in conjunction with a terminal program on each end to
transfer files at the highest common speed (baud rate) from one machine to
another.
2. With a NULL modem, you do the equivalent of setting one machine
up like a host. No need for a real modem and phone lines.
3-7…can't help there.
Don
Nancy,
I would just use CrossDos and stick the the laptop's 3.5" 720k (I assume
that is what it has) disk in the Amiga. CrossDos will let you read or
write just as if it were an Amiga disk. I have not used Dos2Dos but don't
think it works as transparently. With CrossDos you can access the disk
from within any Amiga program. No hassles.
….Mark
Nancy, I'm in a similar situation. I use a Zenith SuperSport 286 as
something of a peripheral to my Amiga 2000. I'm something of a DOS-2-DOS
fan myself, why bother with a seperate, always present file system just to
read disks? I haven't had too many problems with file format conversion as
the word processor I use on my Zenith uses normal ASCII files as it's "file
format." Personally, I think that if you want to use your system as an
adjunct to your Amiga you should avoid using WordPerfect on your laptop.
It's not like you're using the laptop to generate massive, pretty-printed,
reports. Look around on the IBM forums for one of the PC-Write programs –
it's th one I use on my Zenith. It touches all of the major bases for text
creation, and isn't too bad for printer support and such when you need to
print something "on the road."
Best of all, the dern thing fits easily on a 720k disk! In fact, my
PC-Write directory is about 516K. That includes the 120K spelling
dictionary, and the three printer definition files I need (Home printer,
work printer, ASCII file output – for pretty printed .doc files). Not bad
for a sub-$100 program.
combine PC-Write with a shareware comm program and DSZ (for Z-modem
support) on the PC side with VLT (or Pmdcom) and the z-modem XPR and you
have a great way to get ASCII files to the Amiga word processor of your
choice.
Hope I've been of some help.
Brian
Nancy,
My vote goes to using either CrossDOS or Dos-2-Dos. I have both, but since
I do little transfer work, I find it more desirable to use Dos-2-Dos for
transferring whenever the need arises.
You could also use CIS Binary Mail, and mail the files to yourself. (i.e. –
upload from one machine with a terminal program, and DL to the other.)
This technique works well when using LHARC to compress and relatively small
files. It can get expensive, though, if you use it a lot or have extremely
large files to transfer.
Hope this helps, 8)
David
Thanks for the responses. Please keep them comingI'm learning a lot.
There are some alternatives coming up here that I had not thought of.
Where can I get a copy of PC-Wri? (Hope this message comes through
coherently. I'm getting some nasty-type squiggles every now and then
here…..Nancy
Hi Nancy:
I have some comments for questions 2 & 5.
If you have modems on both machines you can bypass the phone system. Simply
run phone cable between the modems. I've not used this technique but the
other sysops (and users) in the CBM fora do it regularly to transfer
between C128's and PC's.
We used DOS-2-DOS at Transactor and it worked well enough. I now use
CrossDOS at home and so does another T editor. I much prefer CrossDOS
because it "seamlessly" integrates your MS-DOS disks into the Amiga. I
would recommend DOS-2-DOS to someone who needs to be able to use files from
a PC but rarely has to send files back to it. Here's why:
D2D opens a window with two columns, you choose the direction, click on the
source file and give a name for the destination. This is fine if what you
mostly do is import files – and you can export if you really need to.
If you're going to be doing it all the time, CrossDOS is superior because
it makes the Amiga `believe' that the PC disk is a native disk. It is just
another device name. So… You start writing on Monday night on the Amiga
and realize you'll need to continue at work on the PC Tuesday morning.
Fine. On the Amiga, save your file to "di0:", pop out the disk, put it in
your pocket and pop it into the office PC. Come home Tuesday night and,
needing to edit and punch up your text, pop the same disk into the Amiga,
load the file from "di0:" and begin.
This is very convenient and saves you all the copy operations you would
otherwise have to perform with D2D. I've recently been using such a scheme
to work on files between Transcript and MultiMate (a more involved and
irksome shuffle! Because of MM of course.). Between versions of WP, you
would never notice that you're working on different platforms (except that
the Ami version is nicer to use). If you have to do this sort of thing a
lot, you'll much prefer the convenience of CrossDOS.
Malcolm
Nancy,
In the Amiga Technical Forum (Go Amigatech) there's a file in the System
Utilities data library called MSDOS1.LZH. This is a public-domain MS-Dos
file system that works in a manner similar to CrossDos. If you have Amiga
WordPerfect, and the document file formats are the same between Amiga and
MS-Dos WordPerfect, and you can set up a bootable WordPerfect disk with
this MS-Dos file system on it, *then* you should be able to use MS-Dos
formatted 3.5" disks on both machines.
Robert