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DCTV & AmigaVision

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#22766From: Tim ByersOct 20, 1992 11:18 AM
Hi: I'm working on a plan to have our company use multimedia for presentations to customers, prospects, and for internal training. I've gotten preliminary approval to use the Amiga platform (pulled an upset I think!) and will be recommending a development system of an A2000-A4000 (depending on what they want to spend) and a presentation system of an A600HD. With the A600 as the lowest common denominator in terms of graphics modes, I'm thinking that we could upgrade a notch by employing DCTV with each system. DCTV would be portable enough, I would think, which is a requirement. My question is in terms of applications. Could we use AmigaVison as our MM engine with DCTV? That's what I've use so far in our prototype system and I've been impressed with it due to its ease of use and flex- ibility. Any other recommendations or ideas you all have? We're looking to do real-time, high quality interactive presentations with text, layered graphics (e.g. diagrams that layer each piece one by one, building the complete picture after a series of steps), some animations and sound. Tim
#22787From: Patrick DohertyOct 20, 1992 9:51 PM
Tim, DCTV is a great product – I use it often and like it very much. However, because of the way it performs its magic, it has limitations. Primarily, ALL manipulations of the data have to occur within the DCTV software. External programs can only playback what has been created in DCTV. This is because the DCTV hardware relies on encoded information at the top of the picture file to figure out how to properly color its NTSC output. I would think that the preferred way to do your layered presentations would be to keep the elements as discrete data and use a presentation program to combine them however you like. The advantages of this is in fine tuning & changing your presentation. For example lets say that one of your layers is a company logo in 2 colors (Black & White?) and it slides onto the screen at a certain point in the presentation. Now the presentation is finished and you decide you would rather have the full color version of the logo instead. To insert the new logo you will only have to change the name of the file that the presentation program is loading – simple and fast. To do the same thing using DCTV would require that you know ahead of time EXACTLY how the presentation will look. You would then create all of the artwork in DCTV and show the series of stills one after the other. I've left some things out here, but this is a start. I also made some assumptions: presentations include animation, and ease of modification. Most presentation programs will take a lot of the work in generating animated sequences out of your hands and automate it. When you use the native amiga graphics modes it is fairly easy for a program to manipulate various graphic elements and move them around for you. However, if you want/need photo-like pictures and are willing to do all your manipulations with 24-bit files, the DCTV makes a great lowcost display alternative. Just remember that the 24-bit files take a lot of storage space and each frame has to be converted into DCTV format before viewing. Patrick
#22797From: Tim ByersOct 21, 1992 10:24 AM
Patrick, I think I know what you mean… that I wouldn't necessarily be able to merge DCTV images the way I want. But, the way AmigaVision has execute icons which run other programs, I could fire off a DCTV animation once in a while if I needed to and then come back into the native Amiga mode under AV for menus, etc. Assuming, of course, that the whole time I was in composite mode, right? Thanks! tim
#22802From: Paul GerhardtOct 21, 1992 7:41 PM
Tim, While I have no first hand experience, I have heard that Digital's RGB adaptor for DCTV would allow you to freely mix native Amiga mode graphics with DCTV pics. Of course the best solution would be to develop on a 4000 using the AGA modes. By the time your ready to display cheap AGA machines will be out for that purpose (there are already reports of a $1500 AGA A1200). Both Dpaint and Digital's new "Brilliance" will soon be availible for graphics development. And you will LOVE the 4000! 🙂 …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#22824From: Forrest McKinneyOct 22, 1992 10:27 AM
Yes you can mix Amiga and DCTV with the RGB adapter. have one, but to tell you the truth really couldnt justify having to buy it again you dont gain much in my opinion Forrest
#22829From: Paul GerhardtOct 22, 1992 1:43 PM
Forrest, I was leaning toward buying the DCTV rgb adapter but decided not to get it, not to get the DBK 2meg adaptor for my 2500, and not to get the 32bit memory daughter board for the 2630 in the 2500. Sold the 2500 and got a 4000. GOOD DECISION! 🙂 BTW For 4000 and 1200 users DCTV is still an excellent digitizer. And if you always save in 24bit format DCTV is also a great composition and paint tool. I have found that the "soft video look" of DCTV effects only the DCTV display and DCTV format files. 24bit files can loaded into DCTV, worked on, and saved out as 24bit with no (to my eyes) ill effect! …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#22848From: Forrest McKinneyOct 23, 1992 4:32 PM
Glad to here you got the A4000 it is a great machine, I lovew the one Im using right now… it is great… Cant wait for Digitals Briliance to come out it is supposed to be DCTV paint spifed up with animation capabilities, and support for the AGA… Forrest
#22850From: Paul GerhardtOct 23, 1992 5:35 PM
I agree. I can't wait to try Briliance. But I believe that DCTV will still have a role. The very nature of DCTV makes it superior to pixel based paint programs for "working soft". I have always been amazed at how "paint like" it is to work with DCTV paint. But then it is going to be great to be able to use Dpaint or Briliance to get in there and work the details! BTW I just popped two 4meg simms into the 4000. Total installation time – 5 minutes! 🙂 …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#22827From: Tim ByersOct 22, 1992 12:31 PM
Paul, Your last point I'm starting to believe ("new low cost AGA machines"). I don't want to wait too long after getting a door open at our corporation but don't want to jump too quickly and miss the new releases that could change the situation. Thanks! Tim
#22830From: Paul GerhardtOct 22, 1992 1:43 PM
Tim, If you develop the graphics on a 4000 and maintain the screens as 24bit files then you can always convert to ANY (DCTV, 256, HAM8, etc.) other format with the best possible quality when you assemble the final project. BTW if you are planning on farming out some of the graphics work for this project I may be able to help, and I would be glad to send yo a demo tape. Just Cmail me you address. …AutoPilot Engaged… -Paul-
#22841From: Tim ByersOct 23, 1992 8:40 AM
Thanks Paul… I'll keep your offer in mind!
#22804From: Jim OgilvieOct 21, 1992 8:56 PM
Tim… DCTV works on the same basic principle of HAM-E, as far as the magic cookie goes. By this I mean, you cannot display a DCTV image without having a certain portion of the unseen picture on the screen. This eliminates the ability to do any transitions using AmigaVision. AmigaVision, at that point, would be a simple slideshow controller. You would have no trouble playing anims or showing pix, but you wouldn't be able to use any of the transitions on it. I haven't tried this myself, but I'm pretty sure this is how the cards would fall. Perhaps it's time that Digitial Creations came out with a modest presentation program for the DCTV that allowed transitions? I am pretty sure that you would not be able to drop brushes on top of DCTV screens, either. The palette for DCTV is computed in a fairly unique way, and the chances of making your brush use that palette is, slim, methinks. You should probably hook a DCTV up and try the simplest of things, first. You might be shocked as to what you might expect to work, but won't. Jim
#22825From: Vance SchowalterOct 22, 1992 10:43 AM
I have to disagree with you on AmigaVision and DCTV. You can do transitions with DCTV pics through AmigaVision. The majority of the transitions work without a hitch. Transitions that do work, include: blinds, collapse to center, dissolve (small, medium and large), expanding quadrants, wipe (left, right, up and down). Transitions that don't work, include: fade from black, fade from white, slats from left, slats from right. There are other transitions, but suffice to say, the majority work. Vance
#22828From: Tim ByersOct 22, 1992 12:34 PM
Jim, Thanks for the reply… as Paul mentioned in the other message, it's probably a good idea to hang loose for the new CBM releases… … AGA modes would hopefully open up a great deal… Tim
#22833From: Jim OgilvieOct 22, 1992 8:28 PM
Tim… AmigaVision professional WILL support AGA modes. Jim
#22842From: Tim ByersOct 23, 1992 8:40 AM
Thanks Jim!
#22849From: Jorge EscobarOct 23, 1992 5:34 PM
Jim, I do transitions on AmigaVision with DCTV graphics… the rule of thumb is to do transitions that do not move the screens, i.e. Blinds. BTW Blinds, collapse to center and blokc dissolves look great on DCTV!!! Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
#22834From: Jorge EscobarOct 22, 1992 8:59 PM
Tim, Our company does both video and MM work. We have been working with DCTV for three months now, and we are very impressed with it's graphic output… say that twice… *graphic*. DCTV is the best add on for anybody who wants to put real time animations of 3d renderings or 2 1/2D anims and *dump* them to video. Why? Because DCTV works and thinks in video terms. If your final output is an RGB monitor (MM slide shows, training and kiosks) and wouldn't recommend DCTV for anything. Best way (and my clients do not complain about the quality) is to go in 16 color Hi-res for titles and HAM interlace for pictures and digitized graphics. HAM can do a very good job, once you know it well. And the new AGA chips in the 4000 will be just what you are looking for, if you want better quality. SO rule of thumb for me… DCTV—>video HAM,Hires—>RGB. My opinions, of course (and experience) Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
#22843From: Tim ByersOct 23, 1992 8:44 AM
Jorge, Thanks for the info and advice. As for your rule of thumb, in travelling to our prospects and customers for presentations, more often than not they have larger composite monitors than RGB hookups/monitors. This is why, I guess, the DCTV is appealing for even the travelling presentations. From a portability standpoint (or until the company buys me a minivan), I'd rather use a customers monitor than haul my own around. Tim
#22851From: Jorge EscobarOct 23, 1992 5:38 PM
Again Tim, Yup if you're gonna show your presentations in TV's then *get* DCTV. It works great with AmigaVision and if you're gonna do a lot of presentations *Grab* a copy of Scala MM 2.0! Though I don't have it yet, it has lotsa great tools for us (the presentation companies). Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
#22911From: Tim ByersOct 26, 1992 8:57 AM
Jorge, Do you know if Scala MM 2.0 supports DCTV images directly? I.e., could you use a DCTV image as a background with Scala titling on top? Thanks! Tim
#22932From: Jorge EscobarOct 27, 1992 6:51 PM
Tim, Although I haven't actually tried it, you can do that now with any program! The trick resides on Digital Creations RGB converter for DCTV. What this add-on does is to mix the Amiga graphics on top and any color 0 of your screen shows DCTV screen. I repeat, I haven't seen it, so anybody who actually has the thing will give you a more accurate information. BTW DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE THE SCALA MM 2.0… HAS IT BEEN RELEASED YET???? —Is desperate to see Scala 2.0!! ;o} Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
#22967From: Tim ByersOct 29, 1992 9:48 AM
Jorge, Thanks for the info… I also dusted off a release notification I received from Scala regarding MM 2.0 and it _does_ list direct support of DCTV files. Tim sen
#23013From: Jorge EscobarOct 31, 1992 7:44 PM
Scala supports DCTV at last! … That's wonderful Tim. I just wish I had it here… I'm making a presentation right now with DCTV… It will go through a video projector so DCTV is *the way to go* (remember my rule of thumb? 🙂 ) Thnxs for the info Tim. Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
#23044From: Tim ByersNov 2, 1992 9:08 AM
Best to you in your productions!