DCTV & AmigaVision
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Hi:
I'm working on a plan to have our company use multimedia for
presentations to customers, prospects, and for internal training.
I've gotten preliminary approval to use the Amiga platform (pulled
an upset I think!) and will be recommending a development system of
an A2000-A4000 (depending on what they want to spend) and a presentation
system of an A600HD.
With the A600 as the lowest common denominator in terms of graphics
modes, I'm thinking that we could upgrade a notch by employing DCTV with
each system.
DCTV would be portable enough, I would think, which is a requirement.
My question is in terms of applications. Could we use AmigaVison as
our MM engine with DCTV? That's what I've use so far in our prototype
system and I've been impressed with it due to its ease of use and flex-
ibility.
Any other recommendations or ideas you all have? We're looking to do
real-time, high quality interactive presentations with text, layered
graphics (e.g. diagrams that layer each piece one by one, building the
complete picture after a series of steps), some animations and sound.
Tim
Tim,
DCTV is a great product – I use it often and like it very much. However,
because of the way it performs its magic, it has limitations. Primarily,
ALL manipulations of the data have to occur within the DCTV software.
External programs can only playback what has been created in DCTV. This is
because the DCTV hardware relies on encoded information at the top of the
picture file to figure out how to properly color its NTSC output.
I would think that the preferred way to do your layered presentations would
be to keep the elements as discrete data and use a presentation program to
combine them however you like. The advantages of this is in fine tuning &
changing your presentation. For example lets say that one of your layers
is a company logo in 2 colors (Black & White?) and it slides onto the
screen at a certain point in the presentation. Now the presentation is
finished and you decide you would rather have the full color version of the
logo instead. To insert the new logo you will only have to change the name
of the file that the presentation program is loading – simple and fast.
To do the same thing using DCTV would require that you know ahead of time
EXACTLY how the presentation will look. You would then create all of the
artwork in DCTV and show the series of stills one after the other.
I've left some things out here, but this is a start. I also made some
assumptions: presentations include animation, and ease of modification.
Most presentation programs will take a lot of the work in generating
animated sequences out of your hands and automate it. When you use the
native amiga graphics modes it is fairly easy for a program to manipulate
various graphic elements and move them around for you. However, if you
want/need photo-like pictures and are willing to do all your manipulations
with 24-bit files, the DCTV makes a great lowcost display alternative. Just
remember that the 24-bit files take a lot of storage space and each frame
has to be converted into DCTV format before viewing.
Patrick
Patrick,
I think I know what you mean… that I wouldn't necessarily be able to
merge DCTV images the way I want.
But, the way AmigaVision has execute icons which run other programs, I
could fire off a DCTV animation once in a while if I needed to and then
come back into the native Amiga mode under AV for menus, etc.
Assuming, of course, that the whole time I was in composite mode, right?
Thanks!
tim
Tim,
While I have no first hand experience, I have heard that Digital's RGB
adaptor for DCTV would allow you to freely mix native Amiga mode graphics
with DCTV pics.
Of course the best solution would be to develop on a 4000 using the AGA
modes. By the time your ready to display cheap AGA machines will be out
for that purpose (there are already reports of a $1500 AGA A1200). Both
Dpaint and Digital's new "Brilliance" will soon be availible for graphics
development. And you will LOVE the 4000! 🙂
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-Paul-
Yes you can mix Amiga and DCTV with the RGB adapter. have one, but to
tell you the truth really couldnt justify having to buy it again you dont
gain much in my opinion
Forrest
Forrest,
I was leaning toward buying the DCTV rgb adapter but decided not to get
it, not to get the DBK 2meg adaptor for my 2500, and not to get the 32bit
memory daughter board for the 2630 in the 2500. Sold the 2500 and got a
4000. GOOD DECISION! 🙂
BTW For 4000 and 1200 users DCTV is still an excellent digitizer. And if
you always save in 24bit format DCTV is also a great composition and paint
tool. I have found that the "soft video look" of DCTV effects only the
DCTV display and DCTV format files. 24bit files can loaded into DCTV,
worked on, and saved out as 24bit with no (to my eyes) ill effect!
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-Paul-
Glad to here you got the A4000 it is a great machine, I lovew the one Im
using right now… it is great…
Cant wait for Digitals Briliance to come out it is supposed to be DCTV
paint spifed up with animation capabilities, and support for the AGA…
Forrest
I agree. I can't wait to try Briliance. But I believe that DCTV will still
have a role. The very nature of DCTV makes it superior to pixel based
paint programs for "working soft". I have always been amazed at how "paint
like" it is to work with DCTV paint. But then it is going to be great to
be able to use Dpaint or Briliance to get in there and work the details!
BTW I just popped two 4meg simms into the 4000. Total installation time –
5 minutes! 🙂
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-Paul-
Paul,
Your last point I'm starting to believe ("new low cost AGA machines").
I don't want to wait too long after getting a door open at our corporation
but don't want to jump too quickly and miss the new releases that could
change the situation.
Thanks!
Tim
Tim,
If you develop the graphics on a 4000 and maintain the screens as 24bit
files then you can always convert to ANY (DCTV, 256, HAM8, etc.) other
format with the best possible quality when you assemble the final
project.
BTW if you are planning on farming out some of the graphics work for this
project I may be able to help, and I would be glad to send yo a demo tape.
Just Cmail me you address.
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-Paul-
Tim…
DCTV works on the same basic principle of HAM-E, as far as the magic
cookie goes. By this I mean, you cannot display a DCTV image without having
a certain portion of the unseen picture on the screen. This eliminates the
ability to do any transitions using AmigaVision. AmigaVision, at that
point, would be a simple slideshow controller. You would have no trouble
playing anims or showing pix, but you wouldn't be able to use any of the
transitions on it.
I haven't tried this myself, but I'm pretty sure this is how the cards
would fall. Perhaps it's time that Digitial Creations came out with a
modest presentation program for the DCTV that allowed transitions?
I am pretty sure that you would not be able to drop brushes on top of DCTV
screens, either. The palette for DCTV is computed in a fairly unique way,
and the chances of making your brush use that palette is, slim, methinks.
You should probably hook a DCTV up and try the simplest of things, first.
You might be shocked as to what you might expect to work, but won't.
Jim
I have to disagree with you on AmigaVision and DCTV. You can do
transitions with DCTV pics through AmigaVision. The majority of the
transitions work without a hitch.
Transitions that do work, include: blinds, collapse to center, dissolve
(small, medium and large), expanding quadrants, wipe (left, right, up and
down).
Transitions that don't work, include: fade from black, fade from white,
slats from left, slats from right.
There are other transitions, but suffice to say, the majority work.
Vance
Jim,
Thanks for the reply… as Paul mentioned in the other message,
it's probably a good idea to hang loose for the new CBM releases…
… AGA modes would hopefully open up a great deal…
Tim
Tim…
AmigaVision professional WILL support AGA modes.
Jim
Jim,
I do transitions on AmigaVision with DCTV graphics… the rule of thumb is
to do transitions that do not move the screens, i.e. Blinds. BTW Blinds,
collapse to center and blokc dissolves look great on DCTV!!!
Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
Tim,
Our company does both video and MM work. We have been working with DCTV
for three months now, and we are very impressed with it's graphic
output… say that twice… *graphic*. DCTV is the best add on for anybody
who wants to put real time animations of 3d renderings or 2 1/2D anims and
*dump* them to video. Why? Because DCTV works and thinks in video terms.
If your final output is an RGB monitor (MM slide shows, training and
kiosks) and wouldn't recommend DCTV for anything. Best way (and my clients
do not complain about the quality) is to go in 16 color Hi-res for titles
and HAM interlace for pictures and digitized graphics. HAM can do a very
good job, once you know it well. And the new AGA chips in the 4000 will be
just what you are looking for, if you want better quality.
SO rule of thumb for me… DCTV—>video HAM,Hires—>RGB.
My opinions, of course (and experience)
Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
Jorge,
Thanks for the info and advice.
As for your rule of thumb, in travelling to our prospects and customers
for presentations, more often than not they have larger composite monitors
than RGB hookups/monitors. This is why, I guess, the DCTV is appealing for
even the travelling presentations.
From a portability standpoint (or until the company buys me a minivan), I'd
rather use a customers monitor than haul my own around.
Tim
Again Tim,
Yup if you're gonna show your presentations in TV's then *get* DCTV. It
works great with AmigaVision and if you're gonna do a lot of presentations
*Grab* a copy of Scala MM 2.0! Though I don't have it yet, it has lotsa
great tools for us (the presentation companies).
Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
Jorge,
Do you know if Scala MM 2.0 supports DCTV images directly? I.e., could
you use a DCTV image as a background with Scala titling on top?
Thanks!
Tim
Tim,
Although I haven't actually tried it, you can do that now with any
program! The trick resides on Digital Creations RGB converter for DCTV.
What this add-on does is to mix the Amiga graphics on top and any color 0
of your screen shows DCTV screen. I repeat, I haven't seen it, so anybody
who actually has the thing will give you a more accurate information.
BTW DOES ANYBODY OUT THERE HAVE THE SCALA MM 2.0… HAS IT BEEN RELEASED
YET????
—Is desperate to see Scala 2.0!! ;o}
Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)
Jorge,
Thanks for the info… I also dusted off a release notification I
received from Scala regarding MM 2.0 and it _does_ list direct support
of DCTV files.
Tim
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Scala supports DCTV at last! … That's wonderful Tim. I just wish I had
it here… I'm making a presentation right now with DCTV… It will go
through a video projector so DCTV is *the way to go* (remember my rule of
thumb? 🙂 )
Thnxs for the info Tim.
Jorge Escobar/MEGABYTE PRODUCTIONS (..and AutoPilot, of course!)