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CIS/Unysis GIF scam

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#180774From: Black Belt SystemsJan 4, 1995 11:01 PM
John, We (Black Belt Systems) have already taken the first steps in contacting CIS over this. The contact given was Larry Wood, who says he is the "Point Sysop" on this matter. I emailed him, and received a reply suggesting I call, "due to the overwhelming amount of email on this matter". I can well imagine. So I called him, and we talked. I have a reasonably good grasp on what is happening at the moment, and it _appears_ that things are still in flux. If this turns out to be as nonsensical as the Compton's tiff over "multimedia" was, as I suspect it will, then probably nothing will happen in the long run. However, at the moment, there is a potential financial liability building for every copy that sells which supports GIF. As a result, the smart thing to do is simply drop support for GIF – period. And that's what we currently plan to do. There are myriad _available_ file formats that provide the "benefits" that GIF does, IFF being an excellent example… in fact, IFF is a much better format. My take on this is that if they DO attempt to do enforce this issue, the first thing that will happen is GIF will go out of use. The second thing that will happen is a huge backlash against CIS and to some extent, Unisys. Of those two, CIS is far more vulnerable. Such a backlash would be entirely justified in my view. The problem here is that GIF was made available, at no charge, without the requirement of signing ANY license agreement, in many venues, BY CIS. This makes it very hard to charge people back-royalties, perhaps impossible… certainly seems like it OUGHT to be impossible. I've already issues instructions to the technical people to remove GIF from Imagemaster R/t and WinImages products. Ben Williams President Black Belt Systems –Ben …via AutoPilot
#180863From: Robert ComerJan 5, 1995 6:57 PM
Thanks for the info! And as a happy Imagemaster owner, I wholeheartedly support your decision to remove GIF support. Warp 3 — Engage! Bob Comer Cheyenne, Wyoming U.S.A.
#180869From: Dale LarsonJan 5, 1995 7:42 PM
I'm just pulling all the .gifs off our web pages…
#180883From: John GagerJan 5, 1995 9:14 PM
Ben: It might be better to just sit back and wait to see what happens before you pull GIF support from ImageMaster and other products. I think it will end up like the Compton multimedia fiasco as you mentioned. And even if they did decide to take someone to court, they probably have little or no chance in winning. I do agree that GIF is not a very good format anymore. The only advantage it held was that in the time it was introduced, most everyone was using 286's with EGA or VGA cards so it offered relatively fast decompression with small file sizes, which was a necessity considering the horsepower of the PC's in those days. Now most PC owners are getting 486's or Pentiums that can decompress a JPEG image in a matter of seconds and displaying them on 24-bit cards. Amiga owners have always been lucky to have the IFF format that has many advantages over GIF. So if GIF dies, it really won't hurt my feelings either. // John (Warp 4040 & Emplant Quadra 840) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#180915From: Black Belt SystemsJan 6, 1995 1:51 AM
John, GIF can always be put back. However, the responsible thing is to pull the support because we now _know_ that we are using someone elses intellectual property to which they currently have a legal claim and to which they are currently legally restricting access… or else to purchase the license from either CIS or Unisys – and that's not a good business decision for us, so we won't do it… they want far too much of the price considering what GIF provides (which isn't a heck of a lot, frankly). If Unisys changes their position, we'll just whip that stuff right back in there. If not, well, there you go. GIF, in fact any 8-bit limited format, is pretty obsolete at this point. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#180962From: Eduard JosephJan 6, 1995 3:22 PM
I just find out that in version 6.0 of TIFF there is an LZW compression option and it too has to be license through UNISYS. Does ImageMaster support that aspect of TIFF compression?
#181036From: Black Belt SystemsJan 7, 1995 1:17 AM
I don't know, Edourd. I'll have to look into it. –Ben …via AutoPilot
#180935From: Harry ManolopoulosJan 6, 1995 6:55 AM
Much of the problem in going to court is win or lose, it costs time and money. That alone can kill a company even if it wins. Harry M. Hi Ben:) \exit