#Saturated color on TV?
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Hi All, I was wondering if anyone had any good tips for getting nicely
saturated color on video. Specifically blue and green. I've got a client that
just isn't happy with their logo colors on TV. I've tried explaining that if
they get more saturated there is too much chroma crawl. But they insist they've
done it in the past. Of course they have. Initially they wanted everything
against black but is there a better color that would allow more chroma in the
lettering but not conflict as much so as to produce these wonderfully crawly
edges? The real problem is that there is a long string of text that is just too
small for the color. I've got a vscope and it says I could have more green and
blue but it's crawly where it's at. I suppose this may be more from the fact
that I'm viewing a composite signal. The end result will be distributed on VHS
though so I figure it has to look good at composite anyway. ANy thoughts?
DM
Dave:
Have you messed with the MAX-PIXEL-SIZE variable. The R3hdn.txt file talks
about edge 'ropiness'. Worth a look maybe?
– Bob Ritger
Ah yes. The client who brings a pantone swatch to the video editing room. There
was a article I read in a video trade mag titled "Clients from Hell" There was
one example of a client who was not satisfied with the color of their logo.
They held up the swatch to every monitor in the facility and weren't satisfied.
Eventually they ended back at the edit room they started in. The editor claimed
to have made an adjustment to the color (in actuallity had done nothing). And
they were completely satisfied.
You're right, black is the best color to reduce chroma crawl. Highly saturated
colors and VHS don't mix well. Not only will it crawl, but you'll get ugly
color shifting (where the color info blurs).
First, I would try to convince the client that you know what you are talking
about.
Second, if that fails. You could always crank up the saturation on the monitor
your showing it to them on. It's better than having them come back after
running 2000 dubs of the show, and complaining that the image looks fuzzy.
One last thought is that you could play with different background colors. It
won't reduce the chroma crawl, but certain background colors might make the
blue and green appear to be more saturated.
Thanks much for the great tips Brett. Sounds like you've had your shares of
this kind of problem. Basically I'm thinking I won't change anything and when
they see the component signal they'll be happy. We'll see. I'll be sure and let
you know.
DM
>Sounds like you've had your shares of this kind of problem. Basically I'm
thinking I won't change anything and when they see the component signal they'll
be happy. We'll see. I'll be sure and let you know.<
I'm sure we can start a thread with all kinds of client problems.
How about when you show them a preview and they think it is what the final
animation will look like (argh!). Give the client what they want. Yeah right,
most of them don't know anything about broadcast design. Lets use bad colors
and the wrong fonts. Just because you have something that you like on paper
doesn't mean it will translate to video, especially VHS.
I'm sure we can start a thread with all kinds of client problems.
Sure – but let's not. 🙂
I sure understand about bad fonts though. Sometimes you just can't win.
DM
"Clients from Hell", yes we all get one sometime.
There is a well know knob in one recording studio I know of it is labeled
'DFA'
When the client ask's for that difficult one, the engineer tells him all it
needs is a bit of 'DFA' he twiddles the knob and says hows that ?
The client says no not quite, just a touch more, yes, Thats it…
The meaning of the label ?
Does F**k All
I think all machines should be fitted with one of these <BG>
regards
Tim Coupland, Field of Vision, London.
-Tim Coupland
Jeez, and I heard it stands for Digital Fine Adjustment! <BG>
SCL
>The client who brings a pantone swatch to the video editing room. There was a
article I read in a video trade mag titled "Clients from Hell"<
That was in Videography, which was taken from the broadcast video forum on
Compuserve. The file may be in the library over there.