CompuServe Thread

#Guru Failure

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#5517From: Jacquie SassoneNov 7, 1990 6:17 PM
Bill, Well, I guess I did something wrong. No idea what it was. LHARC, was in the process of downloading and suddenly the screen went black and I got the dreaded GURU Software Failure. What did I do? I thought I followed all the instructions correctly. I feel like a real pain in the —. I thought once I got through this I ]would be more able to get around without being in the dark. Thanks ahead of time! 73 – Jacquie
#5523From: Bill EastburnNov 7, 1990 8:10 PM
OK, Jacquie, you obviously tripped over something in memory….. <thinking – a rare process here>,,,, First thing, boot up with an original workbench diskette and go to the Shell. Try again and see if it works. Some programs leave things in memory, and it's just possible whatever might have been there could have conflicted with LHARC. If that did not work, please describe your system. Which Amiga? How many floppies? Do you have a hard disk? How much memory do you have? Then try and recall what was happening when the Guru came to visit. Was LHARC telling you that it was extracting files? Were there any files on the destination (whap:) diskette after you rebooted? If so, use the INFO command to see how much disk space is left. There should be enough if you are using a freshly formatted diskette. Which files got extracted? Chances are that the computer just decided to go on strike for a while. They do that all the time (and programmers make such a big thing out of artificial intelligence – it's been with us all along!) Bill, K3OZM
#5549From: Jacquie SassoneNov 8, 1990 5:42 AM
Bill, I ave a 2000, 512k(?), two floppy drives, no hard drive, a SupraModem, and I formatted a brand new disk. Workbench 1.3 was in df0: and LHARC, was downloading fine, I was watching. It was just counting, last count I saw was 46. I loaded the disk later and all I found was the trashcan. Does any of this help? I have a short day today so I'll see if I can get this figured out when I get home. One thing, should I just start over? Like reformat the disk and all? I'll check in with you before I do this again. Just in case. Thanks Bill. <G> Jacquie
#5561From: Bill EastburnNov 8, 1990 10:23 AM
Jacquie – From your message, I get the impression that you were downloading LHARC.EXE from CompuServe. If that's the case, try doing it again. (I thought you were actually extracting with LHARC when you Gurued.) You can't do much else until you get LHARC. What terminal program are you using to download? 2000s come with a megabyte, so you should have enough memory to run the program once we get it on disk for you. 🙂 If you should Guru again while downloading, keep track of when it happened and what the program told you it was doing. Then, send another message. I will e-mail you a copy of the program (or a similar one) that I know is good. If you get the download successfully, go right on to the next steps. (You should have Whap! extracted by the next message, with luck.) Since you only have 2 floppies on a stock 2000, a directory utility will be handy in setting up the Whap: disk. If you can download, get the one called SID from the disk utilities library. (Sorry, I don't recall the exact filename.) You will need LHARC to extract that as well, but the procedure is the same as outlined in my earlier message. I'm working on a project at the moment, but I'll check in every few hours to see if you need any help. Good luck! Bill, K3OZM
#5593From: Betty Clay/SYSOPNov 8, 1990 6:11 PM
Jac quie, One question – did you remember to give CIS the full path to the place where you wanted LHARC to be? When asked for the "name for your computer", did you say, DF1:LHARC If not, it would have put it into whatever your Amiga considered to be the current directory at the time, and is probably hidden away somewhere on your workbench. Betty
#5601From: Jacquie SassoneNov 8, 1990 6:32 PM
Betty, I was never asked for my computer name. For both files it appeared as tho they were downloaded completely, but when I loaded each all I had was the trashcan and nothing else. Is it possible I have a hardware problem? Like a drive or something? Also, can you recommend a telecommunications program that has the workbench (or booting process) built in? Right now I'm using my workbench disk in df0: and the program the computer store gave me when I bought the modem (Comm 1.34) in df1: They gave me another of the same program w/wkbnch, but it does'nt work. All I get is GURU. Jacquie
#5609From: Betty Clay/SYSOPNov 8, 1990 8:17 PM
Jacquie, Comm1.34 is a good program, but it is quite old! I'm surprised that they did not give you something newer. May I suggest that, now that you've worked out the way to download (I'm writing this right after leaving you in CO), you get a better term program? I would suggest either Access! (ACC142.ARC) or JRCOMM. Access gives better support for online conferencing and the like, but JRComm has more protocols, and both of them support CompuServe B protocols, which are the best to use here. Betty
#5610From: Jacquie SassoneNov 8, 1990 8:31 PM
Thanks Betty. I'm so relieved I have gotten this far finally. I've been at the computer since 12:30 today, taking short breaks to take care of all my breeder birds and running out to the market for dinner. Bill suggested JRCOMM from the tele. library. I've got a newly formatted disk and am headed over there. Before I go, this has brought up another question. Will JRCOMM be taking the place of WHAP!? Or, is it only to replace this Comm I presently have? This has been terrific, Bill and you have been so helpful I just can't get over it. I've gotten more pleasent, help from you both in one week than I've gotten in the years at the same computer store I got my C64 way back when.
#5623From: Bill EastburnNov 8, 1990 10:25 PM
Jacquie – JRComm is to replace your Comm1.34. You'll need a general purpose terminal program whether you go with Whap! or not. I suggested that one because, although I like Access! better, JRComm has been updated several times since CIS changed some of the parameters in it's B protocols but Access! has not been updated for quite some time. JRComm will make it much easier to download Whap.lzh, if you can't find where your previous download went. In addition, you will want a directory utiltiy program. I suggest SID, but there are others that can do the job. This will come in really handy when we make your Whap: disk a bootable workbench. 🙂 C64? I have one of those in a closet, and one sitting on another computer desk. I haven't turned either of them on in over a year, so I'm not even sure they still work. One of these day's I'll get ambitious and get a cable so I can transfer some of the text files I wrote on the 64 long ago. Then again, they aren't all THAT critical. 🙂 Bill, K3OZM
#5642From: Jacquie SassoneNov 9, 1990 6:34 AM
Good Morning Bill, My C64 is in a closet too. Have been thinking about selling it, along with the three printers I have. I'd like to get a new printer, and could use what little I'll get from the other stuff towards the cost. I used the shell to try to get LHARC going, but no luck. I have a question. When you ask for a dir, and it lists it, don't you see more than just the name? Like would'nt it list LHARC, (Parent?) and then sub directories? On the JRCOMM ( I downloaded it last night ) – I need the LHARC to unpack that too, right? That was really fun last night, I've never conferenced before. I have to admit I was nervous tho. It was weird typing and then seeing other people coming in and then wondering where my stuff was going! Well, anyway I enjoyed it. I hope I can help you with something someday. You did'nt get called to Kuwait? How was the chili?
#5651From: Bill EastburnNov 9, 1990 10:44 AM
Hi Jacquie – OK. First things first. Let's get JRCOMM broken out…. We are going to sort of customize a workbench, so make a copy of your Workbench diskette, and reboot the computer using the COPY of the workbench. (Drag the workbench diskette directly on top of a blank disk's icon. When the requestors come up telling asking if you want to copy df0: to df1:, answer YES. Then, answer the next requestor CONTINUE. After the disk copy is complete, click on the icon which now reads "copy of Workbench_1.3" and bring the pulldown menus up with the right mouse button. Holding the right button down, place the pointer over the Project gadget, and slowly pull it down the screen. When you reach the RENAME entry, and it is highlighted, release the mouse button. Another requestor will come up with the "copy of Workbench_1.3" in it. Hold down the Del key until all the letters are gone, and then type JRCOMM. Hit Return. You will now have a workbench diskette named JRCOMM.) After rebooting with the JRCOMM diskette, place the diskette containing LHARC into df1:. Bring up the workbench screen. Double click on the Utilities drawer so that the icons are displayed. Click one time on the Clock icon. Bring up the pulldown menus, just like we did for rename, but this time, select DISCARD. When the machine displays the warning, click on the the CONTINUE box. Do the same thing on the icons for CALCULATOR and CLOCK_Pointer (or whatever it's called). We have now made room enough on the JRCOMM workbench to fit LHARC on it. Double click on the Shell icon. Once you are in the Shell, type COPY DF1:LHARC C: . This will copy the LHARC program to the command directory on the JRCOMM workbench. Type DIR C: to make sure it got there. Now, place the disk with the JRCOMM archive into df1:. Still in the Shell, type CD DF1:. The Shell's prompt line with now change to reflect the new disk's name. Type DIR, and make sure the JRCOMM archive is there. If there are many other files, or there are big files on the diskette, copy [ MORE ]
#5652From: Bill EastburnNov 9, 1990 10:44 AM
[ continuation ] the JRCOMM archive to RAM:. (COPY JRCOMM.LZH RAM:), put an empty disk into DF1:, and copy it back to disk (COPY RAM:JRCOMM.LZH DF1:). Type CD DF1: again. After making sure you have the archive on df1:, type DELETE RAM:JRCOMM.LZH. We're now prepared to break out the archive (finally!) Still in the Shell, type LHARC X JRCOMM.LZH. The screen should begin filling up with text telling you that it is uncrunching, unsqueezing, decompressing, or whatever else it wants to. When the Shell's prompt line comes back, it will have decompressed the archive. Type DIR to see all the files you now have on the diskette. You can now read the JRCOMM.DOC file, and any READ_ME files on the diskette. They'll tell you how to set up the program. When you have gotten this far, you can try setting the program up or scream 🙂 for more help. In either event, leave a message, and we'll set up JRCOMM on the JRCOMM workbench diskette. Conferencing can be fun. It's merely a matter of getting used to seeing other people talking while you are typing. JRCOMM has a small chat line you can use to make it a bit easier. You did fine last night, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. Nope, I didn't see any indications they were calling up retirees, so I guess I don't have to buy an Arabic dictionary just yet. 🙂 When I was talking to you last night, the chili had just gotten to the simmering point. I left it on for a couple of hours, and turned it off for the night, but it's back simmering now. It won't be ready until this afternoon. (I did sample it, but all the flavors haven't fully blended yet.) I make it a couple times a year, so it will turn out fine. (It will, however, be a tad spicy for non-chili lovers! 🙂 ) Bill, K3OZM
#5654From: Jacquie SassoneNov 9, 1990 1:36 PM
Glad you're stickin' around, what would I do without you?! Okay, I'm off on my mission. Will check in when I'm done. Jacquie