#Guru Failure
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Bill,
Well, I guess I did something wrong. No idea what it was. LHARC, was in the
process of downloading and suddenly the screen went black and I got the
dreaded GURU Software Failure. What did I do? I thought I followed all the
instructions correctly. I feel like a real pain in the —. I thought once
I got through this I ]would be more able to get around without being in the
dark.
Thanks ahead of time! 73 – Jacquie
OK, Jacquie, you obviously tripped over something in memory….. <thinking
– a rare process here>,,,,
First thing, boot up with an original workbench diskette and go to the
Shell. Try again and see if it works. Some programs leave things in
memory, and it's just possible whatever might have been there could have
conflicted with LHARC.
If that did not work, please describe your system. Which Amiga? How many
floppies? Do you have a hard disk? How much memory do you have?
Then try and recall what was happening when the Guru came to visit. Was
LHARC telling you that it was extracting files? Were there any files on
the destination (whap:) diskette after you rebooted? If so, use the INFO
command to see how much disk space is left. There should be enough if you
are using a freshly formatted diskette. Which files got extracted?
Chances are that the computer just decided to go on strike for a while.
They do that all the time (and programmers make such a big thing out of
artificial intelligence – it's been with us all along!)
Bill, K3OZM
Bill,
I ave a 2000, 512k(?), two floppy drives, no hard drive, a SupraModem, and
I formatted a brand new disk. Workbench 1.3 was in df0: and LHARC, was
downloading fine, I was watching. It was just counting, last count I saw
was 46. I loaded the disk later and all I found was the trashcan.
Does any of this help? I have a short day today so I'll see if I can get
this figured out when I get home. One thing, should I just start over? Like
reformat the disk and all? I'll check in with you before I do this again.
Just in case.
Thanks Bill. <G> Jacquie
Jacquie –
From your message, I get the impression that you were downloading LHARC.EXE
from CompuServe. If that's the case, try doing it again. (I thought you
were actually extracting with LHARC when you Gurued.) You can't do much
else until you get LHARC. What terminal program are you using to download?
2000s come with a megabyte, so you should have enough memory to run the
program once we get it on disk for you. 🙂
If you should Guru again while downloading, keep track of when it happened
and what the program told you it was doing. Then, send another message. I
will e-mail you a copy of the program (or a similar one) that I know is
good. If you get the download successfully, go right on to the next steps.
(You should have Whap! extracted by the next message, with luck.)
Since you only have 2 floppies on a stock 2000, a directory utility will be
handy in setting up the Whap: disk. If you can download, get the one
called SID from the disk utilities library. (Sorry, I don't recall the
exact filename.) You will need LHARC to extract that as well, but the
procedure is the same as outlined in my earlier message.
I'm working on a project at the moment, but I'll check in every few hours
to see if you need any help. Good luck!
Bill, K3OZM
Jac quie,
One question – did you remember to give CIS the full path to the place
where you wanted LHARC to be? When asked for the "name for your computer",
did you say, DF1:LHARC
If not, it would have put it into whatever your Amiga considered to be the
current directory at the time, and is probably hidden away somewhere on
your workbench.
Betty
Betty, I was never asked for my computer name. For both files it appeared
as tho they were downloaded completely, but when I loaded each all I had
was the trashcan and nothing else. Is it possible I have a hardware
problem? Like a drive or something? Also, can you recommend a
telecommunications program that has the workbench (or booting process)
built in? Right now I'm using my workbench disk in df0: and the program the
computer store gave me when I bought the modem (Comm 1.34) in df1: They
gave me another of the same program w/wkbnch, but it does'nt work. All I
get is GURU.
Jacquie
Jacquie,
Comm1.34 is a good program, but it is quite old! I'm surprised that they
did not give you something newer.
May I suggest that, now that you've worked out the way to download (I'm
writing this right after leaving you in CO), you get a better term program?
I would suggest either Access! (ACC142.ARC) or JRCOMM. Access gives
better support for online conferencing and the like, but JRComm has more
protocols, and both of them support CompuServe B protocols, which are the
best to use here.
Betty
Thanks Betty. I'm so relieved I have gotten this far finally. I've been at
the computer since 12:30 today, taking short breaks to take care of all my
breeder birds and running out to the market for dinner. Bill suggested
JRCOMM from the tele. library. I've got a newly formatted disk and am
headed over there. Before I go, this has brought up another question. Will
JRCOMM be taking the place of WHAP!? Or, is it only to replace this Comm I
presently have?
This has been terrific, Bill and you have been so helpful I just can't get
over it. I've gotten more pleasent, help from you both in one week than
I've gotten in the years at the same computer store I got my C64 way back
when.
Jacquie –
JRComm is to replace your Comm1.34. You'll need a general purpose terminal
program whether you go with Whap! or not. I suggested that one because,
although I like Access! better, JRComm has been updated several times since
CIS changed some of the parameters in it's B protocols but Access! has not
been updated for quite some time. JRComm will make it much easier to
download Whap.lzh, if you can't find where your previous download went.
In addition, you will want a directory utiltiy program. I suggest SID, but
there are others that can do the job. This will come in really handy when
we make your Whap: disk a bootable workbench. 🙂
C64? I have one of those in a closet, and one sitting on another computer
desk. I haven't turned either of them on in over a year, so I'm not even
sure they still work. One of these day's I'll get ambitious and get a
cable so I can transfer some of the text files I wrote on the 64 long ago.
Then again, they aren't all THAT critical. 🙂
Bill, K3OZM
Good Morning Bill,
My C64 is in a closet too. Have been thinking about selling it, along with
the three printers I have. I'd like to get a new printer, and could use
what little I'll get from the other stuff towards the cost.
I used the shell to try to get LHARC going, but no luck. I have a question.
When you ask for a dir, and it lists it, don't you see more than just the
name? Like would'nt it list LHARC, (Parent?) and then sub directories?
On the JRCOMM ( I downloaded it last night ) – I need the LHARC to unpack
that too, right?
That was really fun last night, I've never conferenced before. I have to
admit I was nervous tho. It was weird typing and then seeing other people
coming in and then wondering where my stuff was going! Well, anyway I
enjoyed it.
I hope I can help you with something someday. You did'nt get called to
Kuwait? How was the chili?
Hi Jacquie –
OK. First things first. Let's get JRCOMM broken out….
We are going to sort of customize a workbench, so make a copy of your
Workbench diskette, and reboot the computer using the COPY of the
workbench. (Drag the workbench diskette directly on top of a blank disk's
icon. When the requestors come up telling asking if you want to copy df0:
to df1:, answer YES. Then, answer the next requestor CONTINUE. After the
disk copy is complete, click on the icon which now reads "copy of
Workbench_1.3" and bring the pulldown menus up with the right mouse button.
Holding the right button down, place the pointer over the Project gadget,
and slowly pull it down the screen. When you reach the RENAME entry, and
it is highlighted, release the mouse button. Another requestor will come
up with the "copy of Workbench_1.3" in it. Hold down the Del key until all
the letters are gone, and then type JRCOMM. Hit Return. You will now have
a workbench diskette named JRCOMM.)
After rebooting with the JRCOMM diskette, place the diskette containing
LHARC into df1:. Bring up the workbench screen. Double click on the
Utilities drawer so that the icons are displayed. Click one time on the
Clock icon. Bring up the pulldown menus, just like we did for rename, but
this time, select DISCARD. When the machine displays the warning, click on
the the CONTINUE box. Do the same thing on the icons for CALCULATOR and
CLOCK_Pointer (or whatever it's called). We have now made room enough on
the JRCOMM workbench to fit LHARC on it. Double click on the Shell icon.
Once you are in the Shell, type COPY DF1:LHARC C: . This will copy the
LHARC program to the command directory on the JRCOMM workbench. Type DIR
C: to make sure it got there.
Now, place the disk with the JRCOMM archive into df1:. Still in the Shell,
type CD DF1:. The Shell's prompt line with now change to reflect the new
disk's name. Type DIR, and make sure the JRCOMM archive is there. If
there are many other files, or there are big files on the diskette, copy
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the JRCOMM archive to RAM:. (COPY JRCOMM.LZH RAM:), put an empty disk into
DF1:, and copy it back to disk (COPY RAM:JRCOMM.LZH DF1:). Type CD DF1:
again. After making sure you have the archive on df1:, type DELETE
RAM:JRCOMM.LZH. We're now prepared to break out the archive (finally!)
Still in the Shell, type LHARC X JRCOMM.LZH. The screen should begin
filling up with text telling you that it is uncrunching, unsqueezing,
decompressing, or whatever else it wants to. When the Shell's prompt line
comes back, it will have decompressed the archive. Type DIR to see all the
files you now have on the diskette.
You can now read the JRCOMM.DOC file, and any READ_ME files on the
diskette. They'll tell you how to set up the program. When you have
gotten this far, you can try setting the program up or scream 🙂 for more
help. In either event, leave a message, and we'll set up JRCOMM on the
JRCOMM workbench diskette.
Conferencing can be fun. It's merely a matter of getting used to seeing
other people talking while you are typing. JRCOMM has a small chat line
you can use to make it a bit easier. You did fine last night, and I'm glad
you enjoyed it.
Nope, I didn't see any indications they were calling up retirees, so I
guess I don't have to buy an Arabic dictionary just yet. 🙂
When I was talking to you last night, the chili had just gotten to the
simmering point. I left it on for a couple of hours, and turned it off for
the night, but it's back simmering now. It won't be ready until this
afternoon. (I did sample it, but all the flavors haven't fully blended
yet.) I make it a couple times a year, so it will turn out fine. (It
will, however, be a tad spicy for non-chili lovers! 🙂 )
Bill, K3OZM
Glad you're stickin' around, what would I do without you?! Okay, I'm off on
my mission. Will check in when I'm done. Jacquie