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#AAP Protection Fault

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#25888From: mike wisemanOct 30, 1992 5:37 PM
First off I want to say that I am in no way blaming nor criticizing those running and/or operating this forum. However I think that a company is only as good as its service department and, that being the case, I am starting to wonder about Autodesk and at least one of its dealers. I am suffering the same problem that several others have posted in these boards… the sudden crashing of AAPro with a memory protection fault. I see that this has also affected at least one 3DS user. I called Autodesk which refused to speak with me, saying I would have to talk to my dealer. I called my dealer (120 miles away) and explained the whole problem; the error message, what I had tried including booting from a simple disk with system files only installed and all cacheing and shadow ram turned off. He called Adesk and a day later called me back saying that Adesk had said to try booting up with no TSR's… apparently the dealer was not listening when I called him the first time. I explained once more that I had tried that and he more than insinuated that Adesk had no idea how to correct it and would be no further help but he would call them and then call me back. That was 4 days ago and no call back yet. I called PharLap and the tech right away knew of the problem and said that Adesk was also well aware of it and that it was, indeed, a software problem… he had no fix nor suggestions. So, here I am with a $700 program that has served well for over a year, until I upgraded to a 486 board and now it is basically useless to me. I can get no help from the manufacturer yet am expected to pay $200 for an upgrade that may or may not work. I think the money will be better spent purchasing a copy of Playmation.o
#25910From: Craig Sharp [Mem TM]Oct 31, 1992 7:42 AM
Mike: If you had no problem until you upgraded the board, then guess where the problem is… geeeze. C#
#25922From: mike wisemanOct 31, 1992 12:40 PM
If PharLap says the problem is a software problem and that Adesk is well awar of it, YOU guess where the problem is! Shheeesh!
#25926From: Yost GroupOct 31, 1992 3:32 PM
I really don't want to get into this, because the Phar Lap code is totally out of my hands, and pointing fingers is NOT an activity that I like to engage in. However, I want to point out that there are a LOT of different versions of Phar Lap out there, and Autodesk products use many of them. Right now, AA Pro 1.0 uses version 2.2, 3DS 2.0 uses 2.6, AA Pro 1.3 uses 4.0, and AutoCAD R12 uses 4.2. Each one of these versions has its own peculiarities and the 2.x versions ESPECIALLY aren't compatible with a certain number of obscure bios' and controller cards. Phar Lap, unfortunately, doesn't support previous versions, so we've got to always be keeping up with them. I wanted to use 4.2 with 3DS 2.0, but I couldn't because it wasn't finished at the time we release 3DSr2 (it completely broke the ADI-driver code). That's just one of my many little Phar Lap frustrations. (On the plus side, however, I've got to say that the reason why AAP and 3DS run so quickly is due to the incredible efficiency of the Phar Lap kernal. It runs rings around Windows.) So please don't jump to conclusions about what's going on here. The first thing you ought to do is try to get a copy of AA Pro 1.3 from your dealer so you can see if the new version of Phar Lap in it solves the problem. It's and incredibly complicated issue, and I'm sure that if you can't run AA Pro on your new motherboard, Autodesk will at least give you your money back. – G
#25936From: Craig Sharp [Mem TM]Oct 31, 1992 7:32 PM
Mike: There are numerous persons running 3DS and AniPro on 486 platforms. You, and maybe a few others, have had sporatic difficulties that I can't put a finger on… and the explanation has never been the same. Since most of those with the problem don't post their config.sys and autoexec.bat files, plus any batch files that set 3DS switches, plus tell me if they have modified the pharlap extender with newdx, it is VERY difficult for me to help them. There is only minimal difference between a 486 and a 386 as far as I know when it comes to PharLap… and the major difference is in peripheral/bus timing. Upgrading a mother board only with old peripherals leaves many unknowns. The BIOS on the motherboard may be buggy and may have been updated. These kinds of issues are not nearly as complicated and esoteric with manufacturers like IBM, Compaq, and Everex. Since I'm the MemTM I will do my best to help you out, but you have to give me something to work with. In addition, it is pretty obvious to me that if you get a mylex motherboard with an AMI bios, you won't be here shooting arrows in the dark. That is why I said that you need to concentrate on the motherboard manufacturer and the bios on the motherboard. C#
#26034From: yann bertaudNov 2, 1992 12:46 PM
Mike, do you have any kind of Hardware or software caching? If so turn them off, you should also turn off Video Shadow and Shadow Ram. This will help eliminate any possible conflicts. When does the error occur? Does it happen when you try to bring it up? As to what Phar Lap said about us knowing about the problem, I am not aware of that. I do Tech support here at Autodesk for AA pro and 3d Studio and we do run into the problem occasionally. Most often it is caused by a TSR or bad driver. I know you said that you've already taken out any TSR, I am just telling you what my experiences have been. In some cases it is a bad motherboard or a bad BIOS version. Unfortunately we do not have a list of which BIOSes work and which don't, there are way too many out there. Can you give the exact error message? Yann Bertaud – Product Support, Autodesk.