#low-cost rendering
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I was wondering if you knew of any place that could render a 4000
frame clip, and put it on tape for around $1000.00? I'm kinda' new
to this, and I'm trying to do a promo tape. If you have a list of
service companies, please fax it to 808 521 1247. So far, the lowest
price I've gotten is $9100.00 Thanks for your help!!
–John Wilson
John:
>> if you knew of any place that could render a 4000 frame clip, and put it on
>> tape for around $1,000.00?
Lets see, that is 4,000 frames x 15 mins per = 1,000 hours of
rendering, then laying off the 4,000 frames. So all you need is to
find someone who's machine time is worth 80 cents per hour for
rendering ($800 for 41+ machine/days) and will then layoff the 4,000
frames for 5 cents each ($200) to keep in your $1,000 budget! Any
takers? <g>
Somehow, I knew I'd hear from you on this one… <g> I realize this
is a ridiculous question, but I gotta try!! I haven't heard anything
back from the boss yet on the other proposal, but there's still
time…!
John:
I didn't want to disappoint you by not commenting! <g>
Your boss may be asking a bit much on this one… :^)
Greg Pyros
greg,
(lol) Yeah, but you have to give him credit for trying!
–John
Greg where did you get the 15 minutes per frame? What kind of
geometry/VP loading is involved? The biggest job I've done so far
was 13 minutes per frame and that was because it had 23 shadow maps
and 7 automatic reflections to do. Anyway, this job sounds like one
for Paul Linde's 50 slave network, but, a grand ???? I doubt it.
Let's see with my three DX-2's it would render for a week and a half.
yuk!
Hi John,
Sherwood animations will render images for 0.25 cents per frame, which will
make your budget perfectly…David's address is 76050,2657.
It's David Egbert at sherwood animations 805-650-2542.
I hope this helps.
Take care..
Alex Karamanoglou
Thanks for the reply!!! I'll give him a yell—
–John Wilson
The laying to tape is not the problem, he wanted to include
_rendering_ the 4,000 frame file in that price! <g> I don't even
think Sherwood would be interested in this one!
OOOPS!
I do apologize, I didn't read the message correctly. I'll just be quiet from
now on!
(g)
Thanks Greg.
Alex K.
>>The laying to tape is not the problem,
What has been your experience with laying 4000 frames to tape on one
non-stop session? I've gotten to 2000 frames once before the tape
started to show sever wrinkles in the video (this is caused by
stretching) and after 2500 frames the Diaquest won't control the deck
and the machine just aborts. I try to lay down no more than 1800
frames on a tape location, then roll forward about 30 seconds before
starting a new session. If I need longer I butt edit the pieces to a
master. This is with 3/4 Umatic tape.
I know a guy with an SVHS machine that will only go 800-1000 frames
before sever time base errors appear in the playback on the recorded
frames.
We don't keep a list of rendering service companies. I'm sure there
are some online who will be glad to offer their services.
I'd render your file to HI-8 tape for near that price. Assuming a few
particulars.
Give me a call @ (406) 585-8340
Erik,
The file is 4000 frames, and they rendered at 20 minutes per frame on a 486/33.
–John
>>The file is 4000 frames, and they rendered at 20 minutes per frame on a
486/33.
and your budget of $1000—
On my network of 3 – 486-66's it would render for:
4000 * 20 = 80000 minutes
80000 / 2 = 40000 minutes (assuming DX-2 is twice as fast as 486-33)
40,000 /3 = 13334 minutes for the network of three machines
13334 / 60 /24 = 9.26 days of rendering
Recording at 180 frames per hour:
4000 / 180 = 22.2 hours plus of continuous tape time.
But I can't do more than a 1000 frames in one spot on the tape before tape
degradation so I would have to lay down in four passes and then butt edit to a
submaster for a quality master. Maybe an LVR is called for?
Therefore 2 days of recording time.
$1000/((9.26 +2) * 24)= $3.70 per hour.
FOR $35,000 WORTH OF HARDWARE + OPERATOR + COST OF DOING BUSINESS.
IS THIS A NEW DEFINITION FOR SLAVE RENDERING OR WHAT?
John, I think this example shows you how the numbers stack up.
<g>–
That's about the same response I've gotten from everyone. I realize the
process is expensive, but it's really hard to do competitive work at these
rates. (and I can't afford to spend $35,000 on taping gear either). So why
don't you fax me a quote for this job–I'm passing these costs along to my
customer, so he'll have to know what he's up against. Thanks for taking the
time to reply!
–John Wilson