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Entry DTV for $15K ?

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#16484From: John A. OlsonFeb 23, 1992 3:25 AM
I am a non-Amiga-literate, 9-5, mid-life crisis type who is intrigued by the entrepreneurial potential of DTV. Am wondering what a low end, entry-level suite would cost. Can you get in for $15K? From hanging around the Amiga fora, following seems to be what is needed: Amiga 2000HD 1084S monitor NTSC monitor accelerator board (which is where I would splurge – considering 68030, 50MHZ, max RAM, with 210HD) Toaster 2 TBC's (Kitchen Sync?) Quality camcorder Quality output deck Quality portable tape recorder Assorted paraphenalia, mike, headphones, tripod, basic lighting, software, etc. What else? One of the big questions is format. Seems like the underlying rule is that the better the input, the better the finished product – which will probably be straight VHS. But, it's not clear if I should be thinking about working in Hi-8, SVHS, or BetaSP. If I found a good price on a Sony CCD-V5000, for example, would that fill the role as "quality camcorder?" Any replies, comments would be greatly appreciated. -John
#16495From: Bill NobesFeb 23, 1992 1:35 PM
John, I have never responded to a message this way, I promised myself I would never discourage anyone, but I'm afraid I have to. What you need most is a little more experience. I know that was the point of your message, but questions like "should I use S-VHS or BetaSP" are almost impossible to answer because they betray a lack of understanding of the video business in general. I'll give you an idea: I specialize in low budget industrial training and sales videos and shoot and edit in S-VHS. My system can't produce the quality that I would like but it's the best I could do budget wise. Here's an idea of equipment costs (I'm estimating so don't hold me to anything): Edit Deck: $3500 Source Deck: $2800 Controller: $1600 Monitors: $800 Camera: $3300 (single CCD, not great but OK) Portable VTR: $2800 Power Supply: $500 Batteries: $500 Tripod: $600 Lighting: $1500 (I still need more) Mic's: $600 (need alot more) Grip cart: $600 Portable Mon: $350 Amiga: $7000 (toaster, TBC, 11 meg ram, 22 Mhz accel.) Software: $800 Misc: $1500 (gels, gel frames, G tape, dulling spray, grip clamps, dust-off, reflectors, flags &c) Total: $28,750 This would be considered by most professional producers to be a laughable and bare bones system. But it really depends on what you're looking to do. For wedding and birthday parties, you could get by with less. Many may argue that what I've listed is more than enough–but ask them if they do video full time or not. It really depends on what you're looking to produce. [More]
#16559From: John A. OlsonFeb 24, 1992 3:31 AM
Bill, Thanks for the candid reply. I guess in the process of shortening my message to a manageable length, I left out the context. I obviously am not a video professional, and have been soaking up what I can after hearing things about the Toaster and wondering what could be done with it. And, you probably came close to the mark with your speculation that I was looking into an expensive hobby. My thinking has gone a little farther than "if I buy all this stuff, and if I find I enjoy it, can I make any money with it," but not much farther. And it seemed like dollars and cents was the next issue. Appreciate the comments. -John
#16639From: Bill NobesFeb 25, 1992 3:43 PM
John, As a hobby video is alot of fun, and you don't necessarily need alot of equipment. The more the merrier but you can experiment with just about anything. My first couple of production were made with a black and white security camera that I… sort of liberated from a place I worked. In a way, I miss those days. We never worried about lighting and shot with no sync sound. One comment I made still stands: get your hands on some trade pubs–AV Video is a great one for your level (if you make up a company name you can probably get it for free!). Bill.
#16732From: John A. OlsonFeb 28, 1992 7:59 AM
Thanks for the tip, Bill. Happen to have a subscription address for AV Video? -John
#16742From: Bill NobesFeb 28, 1992 3:58 PM
John, AV Video's address is: Montage Publishing 25550 Hawthorne Blvd Suite 314 Torrance, CA 90505 213-373-9993
#16496From: Bill NobesFeb 23, 1992 1:35 PM
[Continued] But even more important than the numbers is the knowledge of how to use this stuff. Editing takes alot of proctice, working a camera and directing is complicated, audio recording is a science, and sometimes lighting seems like a job for mystics and magicians. It take years to learn this stuff. And the best way for you to learn is by diving in–slowly. Read magazines. Not Video, Videomaker and the like , but trade pubs like AV Video, Video Systems and Videography. Don't go spending bucks until you know what the whole things is about. If your in the NJ/NY are your free to stop by my place. If not then there may be someone else on the forum who could make the offer. I know all this may sound discouraging, but your message gives the impression that you really don't know what your getting into. If you're looking for an expensive hobby, that's great. But professional video production is expensive from a capital standpoint and HARD WORK! If you want to do it, go for it. But make sure all of your decisions are educated ones. And I say this not from the standpoint of an elitest, but from the standpoint of someone who made the mistakes you might be headed for. I lost alot of time, alot of money and probably a few millimeters from my stomach lining–and now have a closet full of equipment (not listed above) that is essentially useless. Bill.
#16502From: Joel ProvostFeb 23, 1992 3:34 PM
I'm pretty much asking the same question as you, but I'm not sure of what your background is. If you haven't 'done' video before I have a few suggestions. Try to get involved with video production on someone elses equip. before spending the $$$'s. I've been doing video for over two years (still a novice…) Fortunately I live in an area that is served by a very good public access center. These places provide video training and productions all you have to do is put up with the beauracracy (Anything free usually involves paperwork, and waiting lists.) Of course you won't be able to make any money, but you can learn what video WORK is all about. You will also get some hands on use of equipment, probably better equip than you can afford (That depends on the access center.) You can check with your local cable company to see if PA is avail. and eligibility etc. Also check with your local PBS station to see if they need production volunteers, although they probably won't let you do much technical stuff, you can probably network from there. You will need to network just to find good deals on used equip. etc. Good Luck… …Joel
#16560From: John A. OlsonFeb 24, 1992 3:31 AM
Thanks, Joel, I'm in a technologically remote area, but have enrolled in a local undergraduate "Broadcast Production" class – about the best I can do. Have been ordering lots of books, and reading all I can. Appreciate your thoughts. -John