DPS PAR
10 messages in this thread
Don, believe it or not, it did not occur to me to laugh at your
misfortune regarding the manuals. I suppose this is another one of my
alien qualities. On the contrary, I was quite sympathetic.
>> This is like saying "As long as technology stands still there will
be no progress and things won't change." You totally lost me on that
one. <g>
Technology with regard to the PAR is lateral advancement, not
vertical, ie frame by frame Beta SP is still higher quality. Until
this changes, there is no justification for moving with the new
techology unless there is some other benefit. Which, I, you, Paul,
Martin, and Alan to name a few seem to agree there is. Its in the
application where we see things differently.
Don, I was _NOT_ the one resposible for you're saying Diaquest was
going Chapter 11!!! You must have missed that thread over the
weekend. Murphy took John T. seriously about a joke John made. How
you got into the picture I have no idea.
You did say that in 11 months (or a year from whenever, last month)
that you would be proven to be right that frame by frame was dead.
You reiterated this in the last seven days to Alan I. in a comment
you made to him. If you'd like I will re-post it on the forum for all
to Gawk at!
I think you flatter yourself to think I've made it my mission to
follow you around. Now that really is funny! This whole thread is in
response to your making a "list" and your claim that "frame by frame"
is dead, (not dying as you claim.) That is all, no more no less! And
in that comment to Alan, I took exception.
And FYI, My position on the regardless of my teasing you, has not
changed. Refer back to my paragraph "Technology -" I do take my
understanding of the situation seriously, if you don't choose to take
it seriously just because I bought a PAR, then you're definitely
missing the point. Which I think you are.
I think that you're argument about how you >> have been averaging 2000
frames per week for the last 4 months and I'm just plain tired of the
wait. << is the _REAL_ _CORKER_ to your argument!
Wake up dude! If you're rendering with a Targa and doing frame by
frame its going to be faster than rendering to the PAR which will
require 1.5 times as long!!! The best you can hope for is 25 seconds
less than 1.5 x's faster. On the other side, the difference in
rendering can become extreme. What takes 3 mins on a Targa is going
to take 4.5 mins on the PAR!!!!
I'll let you figure that one out for yourself. 🙂
Yes I am a secret agent but for the International Brotherhood of
Animators. Our order is dedicated to the truth about animation so
that unwery animators don't get stuck with equipment that isn't what
they need or doesn't do what they expect. Your claim that frame by
frame is dead is false, and has been challenged accordingly! Which
doesn't mean that alot of people won't be lining up to buy the PAR.
But the PAR's advancements are a lateral one. Not vertical as you
imply. I will as I always, present all the options and the drawbacks
to each approach as I see it.
So quote me! …for all to gawk at.<g> Why don't you address your
assessment of the PAR "lateral" technology, Gus' accomplishments with
IDE control etc. to Dave White of DPS.
It is not fair to suggest that because it is "lateral" technology
that I am diminishing Gus's or anyone else's accomplishments. It only
suggests what it is. This is the first step toward the future that
both you and I would like to see. But as yet is not a replacment for
"frame by frame" at Beta SP quality. Say what you will, but until
this is a reality, frame by frame is not dead. You could just as
easily have said "frame by frame" was dead with the introduction of
the Abekas, which is no more true than your statement.
But I've made my point and unless you would like to pursue this
further, I'll drop it.
>>But I've made my point and unless you would like to pursue this further, I'll
drop it.
I said you can have the last word and you have. Thank you
Now I have to get to work and pay for this PAR.
I agree that the PAR is not a replacement for frame by frame. For my
purposes it performs fantastically, but even to my untrained eye SOME
complex scenes suffer the effects of JPEG artifacts. I have not
fully tuned my system to its fullest potential, but I feel that frame
by frame or uncompressed video will produce noticebly better output
on those complex scenes. I have to agree that frame by frame will
not die until losless realtime output becomes more affordable…
–Nat'n
Thankyou Nathan, you've managed to say with one paragraph, what I've
been trying to say with pages and pages of messages! Amazing!
Thankyou for your candor.
If anyone has any questions I will be glad to answer as long as there is no
flaming.
Dave White
Computer Products Manager
Digital Processing Systems
good to see you in the forum. If you set your date back a week and
search for the subject "PAR News Flash!" you'll be able to enjoy the
debate between a number of ASOFT veterans.
Dave, I got great tech support today from your people and am now
enjoying some of the finest chromes and reflections I've ever seen.
Looks like I'm going to have to save my money now for a BVM 1912 so I
can see all these artifacts everybody keeps talking about. <G> I am
running the PAR continuously and the only glitch is every 12 minutes
the PAR has a white flash interupting the animation playback when the
drive does a Tcal. There is a noticeable improvement over my targa+
output.
PS: sorry if I got a little testy at Video expo in December. I was really
trying to pick this PAR apart and the star artifact was the only thing I could
find that didn't look right. I've since confirmed this can be repeated frame
by frame using motion blur and field rendering, so I apologize for my
persistance at the show.
>Don, believe it or not, it did not occur to me to laugh at your misfortune
>regarding the manuals.
NOW, I'm the one who is a laughing! <GGGG>
ana /krazy images