#C++ for the masses
17 messages in this thread
Greetings:
Thank you, thank you and one more time THANK YOU for a readable,
understandable and simple intro to C++. Yours is the first article I've
read on the subject that makes any sense to me. As I start to clean out
my library of DDJs, that is one article/issue that will NOT be going to the
garage any time soon. Now, if you could do the same for OS/2…
Thanks, Matthew; now if someone could do that for *me* with OS/2…
Al Stevens
Al,
Which C++ compiler are you using, or is it a preprocessor?
Bob
Bob,
I have used Zortech C++ and Guidelines C++.
Al Stevens
Al,
Would you recommend trying one of those two, or waiting for the possible MS
or Borland offering?
Bob
Bob,
If you want to get into C++ now and a PC is your only avenue, you should
get either Guidelines or Zortech. Neither MS nor BI have made any
announcements, so a delivery date would be mere speculation at this time.
You'll need the MSC compiler to go along with Guidelines. Zortech stands
alone.
Al Stevens
As I heard it, Both BI and MS (and JPI) made announcements to persue C++,
but just have not set any dates. Or is that what you said?
Why do you prefer Guidelines over Glock.? And I assume you mean the old,
shipping version? Glock. is still in beta and I have not heard much from
Guidelines lately. Also check out Comeau Computing. He will be the first
to ship 2.0 for DOS I beleive.
I found that Guidelines was "plain vanalla" and does not support any PC
stuff like near and far keywords. Glock. supports must everything MSC
does, except for the interrupt keyword.
I'm sure they will generally have good upgrade plans if you buy just before
the new version comes out. That is a must in the PC world, or people would
keep putting off a purchace. Might be a good idea to find out the upgrade
polocy and add that to your criteria when deciding who to go with.
–John
I am not aware of any official announcements from BI, JPI, or MS. There are
a lot of rumors though. Rumors rarely contain reliable delvery dates.
That's why I'd advise anyone who wanted in now to get something that's
shipping now. They can switch later if they want.
I have no preference between those two. I've never seen the Glockenschpiel
(sp?) product. I can mention only what I've used. Last time I looked,
Guidelines was still alive.
Al Stevens
I don't even _try_ and spell Glockenhwhatever any more. I did find out
where they got the name, though. I'll have to dig out the message and post
it here.
Yea, get something now, and either switch or upgrade. So a good upgrade
polocy is something to check when making a purchace. The problem is that
they are all so _expensive_. I think Comeau Computing is reasonable,
though. Yea, here's an ad in CLM: it lists $250.
–John
I'd say wait for a new version, from anyone. ZOrtech has some 2.0 stuff,
most notably multiple inheritence. Cfront based implementations are still
shipping version 1.2. Expect 2.0 for PC's in a month or two. If you can
wait 6 months, you might see who all shows up in the DOS market.
–John
John
I have had a shipping version of 2.0 C++ from Guidelines for about three
weeks. Better have a meg on your 286 or better though. Won't even load with
out it.
–Ben
Thanks. I'll have to call them back. If I can remember my contact…
Maybe I still have the cover letter from my copy of 1.2.
–John
I talked to Guidelines today. Found out that it has problems due to
rampent NULL dereference bugs in the Cfront original. The DOS-extended
treats that as a fatal error, even though they are "harmless". Update
coming soon. Also am excited about what else I heard. Guidelines comes
with source for the essential library stuff, so you can use any C compiler.
I'd like to try producing code for Watcom, since some of its optomizations
(like passing the first parameter in a register) are particularly good for
the generated code.
–John
Al,
I caught the message praising your article on C++. Trying to find it on CIS
I searched LIB 0 and 1 with keyword C++ with no luck. Is there any place on
CIS where I can find this article?
thanks, –Helmut (Switzerland)
Helmut,
There was no substantial source code with that article, so there is nothing
in the libraries about it. The article appeared in the DDJ Bonus Issue C
Sourcebook for the 1990s, which hit the streets in December. It's still on
newstands, and subscribers got it bundled with the January issue, I think.
Al Stevens
thanks Al, I think it's time I subscribe, if that is possible from over
here…..
–Helmut
Matt,
If your are cleaning out back issues, I sure could use a January 1988
if you have it. If you are are disposing of one and are willing to send it
to me, I'll send you a SASE. Let me know.