#Clip Problem is Real
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Frank,
That's a great one for the list. Consider it added.
As to the save area, we have a suggestion on the list which I think
addresses that. It was suggested (not by me) that you should be able to
"comment" out a crouton, thereby bypassing it during playback. A single
requester should let you include all croutons for the final run.
By the way, each crouton has a text area where a unique (even with
duplicated croutons) entry may be made and saved.
Hank
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Henry, PMFJI –
I only recently started gathering threads here, so these may be old ideas.
I recently purchased the "VT Flyer Videotape" demo of the Flyer interface. I
seem to remember that there is no delete-crouton confirmation request. Fumble
finger me still likes to have the option to confirm before a positioned
crouton, or even worse a file, goes bye-bye. If this is in fact the case (no
confirm) I'd like to suggest that as an optional setting.
Other ideas … (well, I just read a msg that took in all my ideas for arrex
scripts in one swell PHOOP, so I deleted the rest of this msg)
JM2cents – dean
Dean –
We've recommended that when you place a crouton on another one, thereby
replacing/deleting it, you should be given the option to assume the
settings of the replaced crouton with the new one. This requester could
also let you abort the action. If you proceed, the settings for the new
crouton would permit it to work right away. If the crouton being deleted
is different than the new crouton, some user action would be required.
Hank
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Hank,
Glad to hear it RE deletes.
Another thought, when scrubbing, have 2 keypresses that lock the duration of
the clip to be played; one plays the edit in-point during the scrub, the other
plays the edit out-point during the scrub.
dean
Dean,
Here I go again, trying to learn video. I can see how locking the clip
duration would let you play with in and out points and keep the duration
constant, and therefore in sync with the rest of the project. I'm not too
sure what you mean by "one plays the edit in-point during the scrub," etc.
How can you play and in-point, as it's only one frame?
Thanks again for teaching a novice.
Hank
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Hank,
I can say some pretty crazy things when I'm tired. Forget the idea of a second
rebate. Maybe NewTek would just give any of us .9 users a really good deal on
Lightwave for the PC when it becomes available.
Ok, on with the real stuff.
I think I know what Dean Rector might have meant in his last message about the
in/out point and the scrubber.
Here is a situation I ran into last night. You are in the Control area of a
video clip. You set the in and out points. Now you want to play that clip to
see if it needs any additional adjustment, but you don't want the points you
set to move. So, you open another window or better yet, grab a second scrubber
and move it between the in and out points you have just set.
It's a kind of fine tuning the fine tuning.
NewTek also needs to come up with a good way of editing against a sound track.
And having a frame counter running while a project running is necessary. I
played a thirty minute project last night and somewhere in the middle, I
noticed a bad cut. But, where exactally it was I had no way of knowing. Through
out the project, I had duplicated many of the clips, so I had to test each clip
that had the picture of the crouton that I thought was the one to adjust.
There is a lot to be said for editing against a time line. I think that NewTek
needs to somehow work a time line into the system. Maybe just a pull down
window or something that gives you a reference as to where you are in relation
to the total running time of the project.
So, if you have a bunch of clips in the project window and you start to play
one in the middle, you get a readout of where that frame is in relation to the
entire project.
Hank, all of these ideas that you are getting and sending onto NewTek are
great. The only thing that worries me is if they actually incorporate many of
them into the final version, it will be a lot longer than the end of March
before we see the final version.
Maybe, they should just fix everything that needs fixing, finishing all the
things that were promised and get the program out. Then go back and start to
work on 4.X.
Fred
Fred,
If you set the in and out points on a clip, and after playing it, decide
that you didn't want to make the change, an UNDO feature would revert back
to the original. Am I understanding it correctly? That's something for
which the UNDO for incorrect crouton replacement was recommended. It
should UNDO this situation too.
We have recommended a time code screen display that shows all the time
until you record for real. And have also requested that a 'duplicated'
crouton can have a different thumbnail than the original. That should help
with play back notations.
You can be sure Fred that any 'enhancements' we've recommended will be
implemented, if at all, after 4.0 is complete. Admittedly, some of the
ideas we've come up with are already on the 4.0 list (the cutting room,
etc) and will be delivered with 4.0, but all new ones, when accepted, will
be part of 4.x.
I just wish someone at NewTek would stop taking calls, reviewing the
lists, and never giving me any feedback. I'll be pushing again today.
Hank
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Hank,
I think that the undo button is different from what I said, but if it works
like the following example, then maybe it would work.
You go to control. Set an in and out. Use the play button in the control to
play the clip, but it only plays between your in out out settings. Then you
change the in position. Play it again and decide that you liked the previous in
setting, so you press undo and the previous setting is set.
The reason for playing in the control panel and not just double clicking on the
crouton, is that you get to see the frame numbers and you can move the picture
two frames at a time for accuracy.
Editors like to be able to rock a scene back and forth a few times to see how
it plays. Double clicking on the crouton, just puts the scene into play in the
forward mode and if you want to stop in at a particular frame, you don't know
what frame that is.
Do you mean in your last sentence that NewTek is not giving you any feedback on
these wish list you have been sending them?
Fred
Fred,
Thanks for the clarification. I certainly can see the value of that
procedure. I did recommend that the frame number be displayed all the
time, by default. Only when you record, should it be removed. What would
be nice for your scenario then, would be a play button on the control
panel for the clip that would let you play the clip a frame at a time or
in slo-mo and watch the frame numbers.
I've talked to Chris Richardson once, and had several support staff
indicate that he received our list and would respond. To date, nothing.
I've had long talks with NewTek people about the lack of CompuServe
responses, but they feel overwhelmed with getting 4.0 out the door for
now. However, Thursday, they said something about changing their network
access so they could receive CompuServe mail directly, and then they would
assign someone to follow up.
Hope so.
Hank
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Hank,
James Herber has appeared in some messages on this forum. I get the feeling
that he is not a designer, but more of a customer support kind of guy, that has
a very good working knowledge of the system.
He's got the time to write for VTU, maybe he should be the one to answer our
questions.
Your scenario of my scenario is correct.
Fred
Hank,
pmfji–Fred's last message made me wonder: when the in-(out-)point is selected
in the control panel, can you then use the L/R arrow keys to bump/move those
points or is it mouse-only control?
In the VT software I've found the mouse control of selections to be far too
sensitive to easily make small changes in the selectors. (? do I have high
acceleration set for the mouse in ADOS, I do in MSDOS.)
Whenever I've programmed user inputs I've always allowed the user to use the
arrow keys to incr/decr through selections, and they like it once they've tried
it. Even after 10 years of using a mouse, for many selector functions I still
prefer the keyboard (Tab, Enter, Arrow keys, Home, End, Page up/down).
There are a couple of ergonomic issues. Even using the mouse to press
incr/decr buttons can, over a long day (for myself, and others), get tiring due
to the fine eye/hand control needed. For some people the keyboard is better
simply for the fact that is is more crude. Viva la differance.
jm2cents – dean
Dean
You can enter minutes:seconds:frames numerically over the current
displayed numbers and then hit return. This works quite well.
Jack Lehamn
"I'm not too sure what you mean by "one plays the edit in-point during the
scrub,"…
I'm likely more a novice than you claim to be yourself. Mayhaps I
misunderstand "scrub". I haven't recieved my Flyer yet and I picked up the
term from reading a couple of messages here.
After thinking about your note, AND if I understand "scrub", I think a better
way to phrase the suggestion is "to lock the duration of the clip selection as
you scrub (move/play) the in or out point". (Only one key needed rather than
the two that I originally mentioned.)
Am I using the wrong term above when I use "scrub"?
Thanks for the work you're doing coordinating the information and suggestions.
Regards, dean
Dean –
We're in trouble :v)…
I believe scrubbing is the process of reviewing the video on the playback
screen while adjusting the in and out points. Since many editors can
determine the length a certain clip must be to fit in (with the music?
visual tempo?, etc), then letting the editor set the duration, and keep it
constant during scrubbing would save the constant adjustments. Set the in
and reset the out for proper duration.
Sounds like a feature for the wish list.
Thanks
Hank
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