#FIGHT BACK!
7 messages in this thread
6,000,000 Amiga owners – 2 trustees – 10 months and no action. I'm fed up.
What about you? I don't care about Ali or Gould and the creditors are getting
screwed as badly as we are. By the time those fools make a decision, there
won't be anything left!
Almost all of the Amiga software and hardware companies, have sadly, either
folded or changed platforms. Now AmigaWorld!! And it's another two weeks….
Isn't it about time for AmigaUsers to rattle the trustees cage? Don't we have
a vested interest in the keeping Amiga alive? Politicians, businesses, and
even trustees respond to pressure: letters, phone calls, petitions, telegrams.
To my knowledge, AmigaUsers have done nothing to call the trustee's attention
to the fact that there are millions of users and others whose livlihood depends
on the survival of Amiga. Post the names and address of the Trustees – their
phone numbers. Remember, it's neveer over until over. What do we have to
lose?
Jon Byk
Give me those damn numbers. I'll do anything to make their life hell.
Politicians, lawyers, and now trustees are all four letter words. This cannot
be how things should be done. There must be something else here. Gould et all,
and some other shmuck'd rather have the amiga disappear. I'VE HAD ENOUGH AND I
WON'T TAKE IT ANYMORE. Isn't this what they screamed in NETWORK? If there are
millions of users of this technology then they can create a voice. 6 million
you said. Why if all of us gave ten dollars each, then we could help the new
owners with their start up difficulties and secure a voice in the running of
the comapny, not individually but as a collective voice. Now this is a dream.
The nay sayers will find the right words to make fun of this. Screw them all.
Sacrcasm is another form of wanking! Let them wank! How can this dream be
activated? Who'd lead it. I propose Jim Drew of Utilities Unlimited. I want to
believe that he is a man of honor of resilience. Let's all get HIM to help!
Mario Azzopardi
"Give me those damn numbers. I'll do anything to make their life hell."
Like what? Crank calls? Threat filled letters? If they paid any attention to
such nonsense, you might find that they have legal ways to make your life hell
as well.
"If there are millions of users of this technology then they can create a
voice."
And do you seriously think that everyone has been sitting on their backsides
for the past year? Maybe you ought to check into this Forum and other Amiga
places on the net more often.
The process of liquidating Commodore is one of law. It has no other purpose
than winding up the affairs of the corporation according to the law and
realizing as much money from the sale of Commodore's assets as possible for the
benefit of the creditors.
Are you a Commodore creditor? If not, then you have no legal interest in the
proceedings and the trustees, the court and the creditors couldn't care less
about you or your opinions.
"6 million you said. Why if all of us gave ten dollars each, then we could help
the new owners with their start up difficulties and secure a voice in the
running of the comapny, not individually but as a collective voice."
Yes! Please send the money to me! By the way, where were all these people
when it came to buying new Amigas?
"I propose Jim Drew of Utilities Unlimited. I want to believe that he is a man
of honor of resilience. Let's all get HIM to help!"
Isn't that the same Jim Drew who's been selling his 486/586 emulation mode
for the Emplant for several years now – without being able to deliver?
Is that the same Jim Drew who months ago said that if the former Commodore UK
management team lost their bid, that he would have incredible Commodore clones
out within six weeks?
There was, of course, no need to wait to bring out an Amiga clone. But I
haven't seen it, have you?
Jerry
"Isn't it about time for AmigaUsers to rattle the trustees cage? Don't we have
a vested interest in the keeping Amiga alive?"
In a legal manner of speaking, no.
Only Commodore's creditors have something to say in their liquidation. As a
user of an Amiga computer, they (legally and rightfully) couldn't care less
about you and your opinions.
"Post the names and address of the Trustees – their phone numbers."
Those are public knowledge already.
These are public proceedings in a court of law. Nothing secret about them.
What you don't seem to understand is that the liquidation of a large
multi-national business is not a simple affair. There are companies in
liquidation where the process has taken years.
"To my knowledge, AmigaUsers have done nothing to call the trustee's attention
to the fact that there are millions of users and others whose livlihood depends
on the survival of Amiga."
What a totally disinegenuous argument.
Everything an Amiga can do can also be done on other machines. Many people
have already switched to Macintoshes, PC's or SGI hosts for their work. Others
(including me) have stockpiled additional Amigas to protect against breakdowns
or the lack of spare parts.
Arguments that you are somehow being denied software that hasn't been written
yet are speculative.
And by the way, there have been a number of people from this very forum who
have spoken or corresponded with the trustees and communicated their devotion
to the Amiga to them. Organizing a harassment campaign would simply dilute the
work of these serious people. It's simple enough to ignore crank calls and
letters.
The trustees have only obligations are to terminate the business affairs of
Commodore according to the law and to realize as much money as they can for the
creditors from the sale of the former Commodore's assets.
They don't owe you as an Amiga computer owner diddly-squat.
Jerry
jer, you're one of those realists that take all the fun out of life.
Well taken, Jerry.
Joachim Sondermann-Bieker
on Amiga AutoPilot 1.77 from Cologne, Germany
Jon,
Sad…but true, Amiga owners are the least likely to have any impact on
any of the transactions dealing with the Trustees.
They have 0 concern what current owners think, their concern is to
recover what they can for the current creditors of Commodore. And while it may
seem that the delays have lowered the amount that can be recovered, (and
probably has)…that, in and of itself, is not a big deal. The fact that the
corporate entity (CBU) was so intertwined…and the legalities of selling it
all off, that's the big deal.
Don