#Whap! and OnLine!
33 messages in this thread
Has anyone had success in using OnLine! with Whap!? Whenever I call up the
terminal program, I get disconnected from CIS. Any thoughts?
Paul
I just tried Online! (version 1.0) and had no problems. I have Online! in the
root directory of my Whap disk, (which was originaly my Online! disk renamed to
Whap). Click on Interactive Terminal and Whap! logs on to CIS, goes to the
register now screen and then comes up with the Online! screen. Log off from CIS
through Online!, quit online, and you are back into Whap! offline. Works fine
for me.
I'll futz around with it some more … might be my modem.
Paul
Whap! appears to be incompatible with Diga!. When Whap! loads it Diga! puts up
a can't load serial.device requester. Selecting cancel aborts and goes back to
Diga!. Download Access! it works fine (tired of adding exclamation points to
the end of program names! <grin>).
-Greg
Greg,
Sounds more like Diga! is not compatible with Whap! 😉
Doug
Greg,
Didn't! you! know! it! was! in! to! add! exclamation! marks! to! term!
program! names!? (!) <grin!> – Keith!
Of!!! Course!!!!!!
!!!!Greg!!!!!
I don't believe you meant to send me that mail on Diga! since I don't use it.
Paul
Just letting you know that other term progs may not work, either.
-Greg
It appears to work okay when I open up the modem and "Force DTR ON" using the
DIP switches. However, when I do that, Whap! does not automatically drop the
connection (unless it is set up for automatic timed mode).
Paul
Greg,
It appears to be the other way around! Diga! is incompatible with Whap!
<grin>
Actually, it IS Diga!'s fault. Word Perfect Library has the same
problem. Both attempt to open the serial device in exclusive mode. Whap! opens
it in shared. So, both Diga! and Word Perfect's phone dialer program fail if
Whap! is loaded. The authors of those programs failed to consider that the
Amiga is multitasking and some other program may want to use the serial port
too.
Best,
-jcs-
Jim:
Do you know anything about BBS-PC!'s method of using the serial.device? I had
previously assumed that it was going to the hardware, but now that you've
mentioned "shared-mode", I believe it may be grabbing it in exclusive mode.
The reason I ask the question, is that I ALWAYS have BBS-PC! running in the
foreground, with WordPerfect, Whap! and some utilities in the background. When
I want to Whap!Cis, I have to close down BBS-PC! when I really don't want to.
Not such a bad thing with hard drive speeds, but I am always trying to make my
life easier! Perhaps I should Whap! a message to MicroSystems Software
concerning this matter.
Charles Conlow
74116,3067
Charles,
I don't know if BBS-PC opens serial.device in shared or exclusive.
However, a bbs might qualify as an exception and should be opened in exclusive.
You have no control when a uer is going to call. If you are running a terminal
program and someone calls your bbs, in shared mode, you are likely to get a
visit from the turbuned one.
Best,
4h -jcs-
It was nice to find that once I put online! into ram that it became highly
feasible to run it for cis from whap (assuming that I get the commercial free
version, which I will send for). I do suspect that if online is already
running that I shouldn't try to get into whap, but that vice versa is ok.
Actually, since I put online into ram instead of making it resident, I know
longer need to keep it running all of the time.
Ron
Ron,
If Online is running, you can bring up Whap!, just don't have it dial.
But, you can read messages, select downloads, etc. Just make sure you
terminate Online before you have Whap! go online.
Best,
-jcs-
I hav een using Online! successfully for quite some time.
…Dave
Well, it keeps dropping the line when it loads OnLine! here.
Paul
Paul,
Are you doing an "assign online!: whap!:"? Don't know if it will help but just
a thought.
…Dave
ASSIGN ONLINE!: WHAP!: would have Whap! look for OnLine! in my Whap! directory.
Assignments are not the problem. DTR must be forced ON for it to work (at
least with my modem).
Paul
At least with your modem. With my supra 2400 I don't have any problem.
Ron
Paul,
Gotcha, just a thought.
…Dave
I use online v2.01, which I have copied to a directory in ram:. I have set the
whap to find it there, and copied my trm and scp file to whap:. Except for
whap setting cis to non screen settings, online is fine this way.
Ron
Oh, Whap! has no problem finding it. The problem is that without DTR forced ON,
the switchover to OnLine! causes the carrier to drop.
Paul
I've been able to get online to work well enough – I put in in ram:xxx and
point whap to it. I did see someone else with a problem, though.
Ron
The same thing happens occasionally when Whap! invokes Access!, at least with
my setup. A split second after Access! comes up, my Avatex 1200 modem hangs
up. It has to be a glitch on DTR because there is no other way to cause this
modem to hang up other than the power switch.
Jon,
You might try deleting the "ATZ\n" (or whatever you have as your modem
init string ) in the DEFINE window of Access!. I don't know if this will help,
but it might possibly be causing your modem to hang up when it resets.
– Keith
Jon,
I've never had a problem with Whap! and Access! using Supra, CTS, A1680,
or Hayes 300 modem.
Best,
-jcs-
I don't have a scope, so I can't tell you for certain that DTR is glitching.
I assume that the glitch is quite narrow, since the LED doesn't even twitch,
and that most modems don't "see" it. Mine does, a significant percentage of
the time. I've become extremely reluctant to invoke the terminal program from
Whap.
Jon,
All I can say is that it works for me.
Whap! opens 3 serial ports. 1 for read, 1 for write, 1 strictly to
monitor DTR. When Whap! is sitting at the main screen all are closed. When it
invokes another terminal program read and write are closed and DTR remains open
doing nothing but monitoring the line. It sounds like a hardware problem with
your modem.
Best,
-jcs-
Some modems have an internal dip-switch to force DTR on. It may be that the
setting on his modem has that feature disabled. That would cause the connection
to go away when the terminal program is invoked.
Paul
P.S. The Section Header bug – it really is there. Do you mean you know its
there but can't figure it out, or you don't see it at all? What happens
is when I collect message headers for marking, the section field is not
completely overwritten. Let's say the first message header is from
Telecommunications. That looks fine on the screen. If the next message header
is from Whap!, instead of the section field saying Whap!, it says
Whap!ommunications. In other words, you gotta reset the field with a blank line
first, and Whap! doesn't seem to be doing that.
Paul
Paul,
I believe you about the message header. At first I thought it was related
to the problem of the header only being partially displayed when it contained a
slash. It's not.
Best,
-jcs-