#Pinnacle RCD-1000 Buy?
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Kenny,
Your questions are good ones that we've addressed several times on this forum.
Basically there seem to be different definitions of what a "hybrid" CD is, that
is a disc that can be read on multiple systems. The most common hybrid is a
Mac/PC hybrid however our company has made 5 way hybrids before.
CDs are based on a standard, ISO9660 which is readable on any machine but you
loose many of the features unique to the Mac. Some of the users of this forum
come from a PC background and can't understand why users want their Mac to
actually _act_ like a Mac so they say they have hybrid software but several Mac
features are missing such as autolaunching applications or placement of files
on the desktop.
There are a few packages out there that make what I call "true hybrids". Which
is best is mostly a matter of personal choice. They all require the disc to be
made from a Macintosh system. Hybrid software is something of a buyer beware
market with a lot of promises and it's up to the user to figure out what
actually works and how well it works. You'll probably make a few duds before
you figure out which package and how to run it. Check return policy on the
products before you try them out.
Another option would be for you to send the data to a service bureau like ours
and have us combine your Mac and PC data to a hybrid disc. Let me know if
you're interested.
Jerry Warner
CD Solutions, Inc.
Thanks, Jerry, I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new to CD recordables
and to CompuServe. I don't want to annoy people, but I do want to understand as
well as possible what I've got myself into here. So the bottom line is that a
Mac will _not_ execute a file from an ISO 9660 CD?
I may have to go to a service bureau in the case of creating a hybrid disk, but
that's exactly the thing I was trying to avoid by purchasing a CD recorder. It
may be that I purchased the wrong one, or may have learned a "significant"
lesson on this one….
Thanks again.
KAC
Kenny,
<< So the bottom line is that a Mac will _not_ execute a file from an ISO 9660
CD?>>
Wrong. A Mac will execute a Mac application from an ISO9660 disc just fine but
in many cases you can't click on a file and have it open the application that
created it. In many cases you also lose icons and the resource forks. In
other cases you lose only desktop information such as file placements. In true
hybrids, none of these items are lost.
Jerry Warner
CD Solutions, Inc.
Kenny,
the problem with creating ISO 9660 discs on a PC for a Macintosh is that PCs
don't understand about Macintosh resources. You should be able to make ISO
discs with Apple extentions or Hybrid discs with your Pinnacle, but you will
need to buy Macintosh software.
Best Regards,
Steve Styerwalt
OMI
So Steve is there software available that runs under windows that will allow me
to create a _true_ hybrid CD? Or can I only do it by using a Mac (and
appropriate software) and attaching my RCD 1000 to it?
Thanks,
KAC
Kenny,
<<So Steve is there software available that runs under windows that will allow
me to create a _true_ hybrid CD?>>
No. At least not that I've ever heard of. The PC can't understand the Mac
resource folk. It gets lost when you copy the file to the PC so it isn't even
there for software to work with any longer.
Now, having said that, I did hear something just this week about new software
that says it can make Mac disc from a PC. I think I heard about it from
Georges Brown but I didn't catch the details and I do remember that the
software was not able to make a true hybrid. You might want to ask Georges
about it (Internet:Georges@CDArchive.com)
Jerry Warner
CD Solutions, Inc.
I have yet to see software that can make a Hybrid disc under Windows. Easy CD
Pro MM will make HFS discs but this feature is not easy to use IMHO.
I don't see why the next version of software won't be able to do it. IF it is
done under Windows NT. We use a lot of NT here and have our Mac's attached to
the NT systems. I can mount an NT volume and copy files to it and it keeps the
resource forks… ie If I save a PhotoShop file onto the NT box it still keeps
the thumbnail shot ect… when I copy the file back to the Mac it still is a
100% Mac file..
By definition to get the Win95 logo the software will have to work under NT (at
least I think so) so this may be a feature of the high end programs. Who
knows… maybe D' can enlighten us on Incat's future stuff or someone else…
Cheers,
Georges
CD Archive, Inc.
www.cdarchive.com
ftp.cdarchive.com
georges@cdarchive.com
Goerges,
<<I have yet to see software that can make a Hybrid disc under Windows.>>
Thanks for clearing that up. Hope I didn't cause your mailbox to overflow.
Jerry Warner
CD Solutions, Inc.
Easy-CD Pro MM doesn't claim to make hybrid discs; it will let you do a
physical copy of an HFS volume (including a Mac CD-ROM, for example), but
that's it. We don't open the HFS files in Windows, because they would, of
course, lose their resource forks.
Up to now it's been impossible to make a hybrid on the PC, as you say. If it's
possible in NT I guess we'll do it — we do everything possible, and some stuff
that isn't as well! <G> And yes, we do plan to add a 32-bit software to our
family this year.
Actually, if you check out the new version of Photo Theatre, you will see that
we do manage to bring a Mac app. intact through Windows and record it on a
Photo CD — that's how we get our Mac Magic Lantern Photo CD viewer on there.
_How_ we do it I'm not going to tell you. <G>
Ciao,
D'
Kenny,
I do not know about any software that can create a Hybrid disc on a PC.
Best Regards,
Steve Styerwalt
OMI
Steve,
it depends how you define a hybrid disc. If you define hybrid disc as a CD
containing both ISO 9660 file system and HFS then WinOnCD is a tool capable of
creating hybrid discs on the PC. Hybrid discs with data shared between the ISO
9660 part and the HFS part of the disc, which is sometimes referred as 'true
hybrid disc' in this forum, can currently only be mastered on the Mac.
Sincerely Peter
Yes, you are right. If you just want a disc with an ISO session and a HFS
session, you can do it on a PC, but when I refer to a hybrid disc, I am
referring to a single session containing all the data with two directories. By
the way, if you want your discs to be compatible with the CD-ROM readers still
out there that are not multisession capable, you really need to create a "true
Hybrid."
Best Regards,
Steve Styerwalt
OMI
>> Yes, you are right. If you just want a disc with an ISO session and a HFS
session, you can do it on a PC, but when I refer to a hybrid disc, I am
referring to a single session containing all the data with two directories. By
the way, if you want your discs to be compatible with the CD-ROM readers still
out there that are not multisession capable, you really need to create a "true
Hybrid." <<
Yes, and our software can do these kind of CDs: WinOnCD can record an ISO 9660
file structure AND an HFS volume in one single track.
Peter
Kenny,
Jerry knows what he's talking about here — he does lots of hybrids, but I
can't remember if he's mentioned that in order to create a shared hybrid (what
he refers to as "true" hybrid) you have to premaster on a Mac, and there are
only a couple of premastering software packages that make shared hybrids. It
makes an ISO9660 disc, but the Mac will see icons and be able to execute its
native files by double-clicking.
Kathy
Thanks everyone. I think I understand, but am still a little confused about
what really happens when I put a Mac executable on an iso 9660 disc. It sounds
like it may or may not show up to the mac user and it may or may not run
depending on specifically what it is. Or maybe it's just a matter of the user
having the technical knowledge to execute it without have the icons to double
click etc. I'll assume it's the later. In any case thanks for all the help.
I'll hang around and listen and learn.
KAC
Kenny,
<<It sounds like it may or may not show up to the mac user and it may or may
not run depending on specifically what it is.>>
Wrong. An ISO9660 file _will_ show up on the Mac. If it's a _Mac_ application
it _will_ run. It _will not_ look/act/and feel like a Macintosh discs however.
Jerry Warner
CD Solutions, Inc.
Ok, Jerry, _that_ makes sense. I think I understand now. I _really_ appreciate
everyone's help.
KAC