CompuServe Thread

#Pinnacle RCD-1000 Buy?

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#116284From: Jerry WarnerMay 22, 1995 11:50 AM
Kenny, Your questions are good ones that we've addressed several times on this forum. Basically there seem to be different definitions of what a "hybrid" CD is, that is a disc that can be read on multiple systems. The most common hybrid is a Mac/PC hybrid however our company has made 5 way hybrids before. CDs are based on a standard, ISO9660 which is readable on any machine but you loose many of the features unique to the Mac. Some of the users of this forum come from a PC background and can't understand why users want their Mac to actually _act_ like a Mac so they say they have hybrid software but several Mac features are missing such as autolaunching applications or placement of files on the desktop. There are a few packages out there that make what I call "true hybrids". Which is best is mostly a matter of personal choice. They all require the disc to be made from a Macintosh system. Hybrid software is something of a buyer beware market with a lot of promises and it's up to the user to figure out what actually works and how well it works. You'll probably make a few duds before you figure out which package and how to run it. Check return policy on the products before you try them out. Another option would be for you to send the data to a service bureau like ours and have us combine your Mac and PC data to a hybrid disc. Let me know if you're interested. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#116342From: Kenny A. ChaffinMay 23, 1995 6:58 AM
Thanks, Jerry, I'm sure this has come up before, but I am new to CD recordables and to CompuServe. I don't want to annoy people, but I do want to understand as well as possible what I've got myself into here. So the bottom line is that a Mac will _not_ execute a file from an ISO 9660 CD? I may have to go to a service bureau in the case of creating a hybrid disk, but that's exactly the thing I was trying to avoid by purchasing a CD recorder. It may be that I purchased the wrong one, or may have learned a "significant" lesson on this one…. Thanks again. KAC
#116350From: Jerry WarnerMay 23, 1995 9:37 AM
Kenny, << So the bottom line is that a Mac will _not_ execute a file from an ISO 9660 CD?>> Wrong. A Mac will execute a Mac application from an ISO9660 disc just fine but in many cases you can't click on a file and have it open the application that created it. In many cases you also lose icons and the resource forks. In other cases you lose only desktop information such as file placements. In true hybrids, none of these items are lost. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#116357From: Steve StyerwaltMay 23, 1995 12:20 PM
Kenny, the problem with creating ISO 9660 discs on a PC for a Macintosh is that PCs don't understand about Macintosh resources. You should be able to make ISO discs with Apple extentions or Hybrid discs with your Pinnacle, but you will need to buy Macintosh software. Best Regards, Steve Styerwalt OMI
#116424From: Kenny A. ChaffinMay 24, 1995 7:03 AM
So Steve is there software available that runs under windows that will allow me to create a _true_ hybrid CD? Or can I only do it by using a Mac (and appropriate software) and attaching my RCD 1000 to it? Thanks, KAC
#116433From: Jerry WarnerMay 24, 1995 11:08 AM
Kenny, <<So Steve is there software available that runs under windows that will allow me to create a _true_ hybrid CD?>> No. At least not that I've ever heard of. The PC can't understand the Mac resource folk. It gets lost when you copy the file to the PC so it isn't even there for software to work with any longer. Now, having said that, I did hear something just this week about new software that says it can make Mac disc from a PC. I think I heard about it from Georges Brown but I didn't catch the details and I do remember that the software was not able to make a true hybrid. You might want to ask Georges about it (Internet:Georges@CDArchive.com) Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#116470From: Georges BrownMay 24, 1995 7:46 PM
I have yet to see software that can make a Hybrid disc under Windows. Easy CD Pro MM will make HFS discs but this feature is not easy to use IMHO. I don't see why the next version of software won't be able to do it. IF it is done under Windows NT. We use a lot of NT here and have our Mac's attached to the NT systems. I can mount an NT volume and copy files to it and it keeps the resource forks… ie If I save a PhotoShop file onto the NT box it still keeps the thumbnail shot ect… when I copy the file back to the Mac it still is a 100% Mac file.. By definition to get the Win95 logo the software will have to work under NT (at least I think so) so this may be a feature of the high end programs. Who knows… maybe D' can enlighten us on Incat's future stuff or someone else… Cheers, Georges CD Archive, Inc. www.cdarchive.com ftp.cdarchive.com georges@cdarchive.com
#116503From: Jerry WarnerMay 25, 1995 11:13 AM
Goerges, <<I have yet to see software that can make a Hybrid disc under Windows.>> Thanks for clearing that up. Hope I didn't cause your mailbox to overflow. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#116522From: incatsystems softwaMay 25, 1995 3:59 PM
Easy-CD Pro MM doesn't claim to make hybrid discs; it will let you do a physical copy of an HFS volume (including a Mac CD-ROM, for example), but that's it. We don't open the HFS files in Windows, because they would, of course, lose their resource forks. Up to now it's been impossible to make a hybrid on the PC, as you say. If it's possible in NT I guess we'll do it — we do everything possible, and some stuff that isn't as well! <G> And yes, we do plan to add a 32-bit software to our family this year. Actually, if you check out the new version of Photo Theatre, you will see that we do manage to bring a Mac app. intact through Windows and record it on a Photo CD — that's how we get our Mac Magic Lantern Photo CD viewer on there. _How_ we do it I'm not going to tell you. <G> Ciao, D'
#116508From: Steve StyerwaltMay 25, 1995 11:21 AM
Kenny, I do not know about any software that can create a Hybrid disc on a PC. Best Regards, Steve Styerwalt OMI
#116526From: Peter Hoepfner (CeQuadraMay 25, 1995 4:22 PM
Steve, it depends how you define a hybrid disc. If you define hybrid disc as a CD containing both ISO 9660 file system and HFS then WinOnCD is a tool capable of creating hybrid discs on the PC. Hybrid discs with data shared between the ISO 9660 part and the HFS part of the disc, which is sometimes referred as 'true hybrid disc' in this forum, can currently only be mastered on the Mac. Sincerely Peter
#116581From: Steve StyerwaltMay 26, 1995 2:43 PM
Yes, you are right. If you just want a disc with an ISO session and a HFS session, you can do it on a PC, but when I refer to a hybrid disc, I am referring to a single session containing all the data with two directories. By the way, if you want your discs to be compatible with the CD-ROM readers still out there that are not multisession capable, you really need to create a "true Hybrid." Best Regards, Steve Styerwalt OMI
#116586From: Peter Hoepfner (CeQuadraMay 26, 1995 7:21 PM
>> Yes, you are right. If you just want a disc with an ISO session and a HFS session, you can do it on a PC, but when I refer to a hybrid disc, I am referring to a single session containing all the data with two directories. By the way, if you want your discs to be compatible with the CD-ROM readers still out there that are not multisession capable, you really need to create a "true Hybrid." << Yes, and our software can do these kind of CDs: WinOnCD can record an ISO 9660 file structure AND an HFS volume in one single track. Peter
#116398From: Katherine CochraneMay 23, 1995 10:07 PM
Kenny, Jerry knows what he's talking about here — he does lots of hybrids, but I can't remember if he's mentioned that in order to create a shared hybrid (what he refers to as "true" hybrid) you have to premaster on a Mac, and there are only a couple of premastering software packages that make shared hybrids. It makes an ISO9660 disc, but the Mac will see icons and be able to execute its native files by double-clicking. Kathy
#116423From: Kenny A. ChaffinMay 24, 1995 6:57 AM
Thanks everyone. I think I understand, but am still a little confused about what really happens when I put a Mac executable on an iso 9660 disc. It sounds like it may or may not show up to the mac user and it may or may not run depending on specifically what it is. Or maybe it's just a matter of the user having the technical knowledge to execute it without have the icons to double click etc. I'll assume it's the later. In any case thanks for all the help. I'll hang around and listen and learn. KAC
#116434From: Jerry WarnerMay 24, 1995 11:08 AM
Kenny, <<It sounds like it may or may not show up to the mac user and it may or may not run depending on specifically what it is.>> Wrong. An ISO9660 file _will_ show up on the Mac. If it's a _Mac_ application it _will_ run. It _will not_ look/act/and feel like a Macintosh discs however. Jerry Warner CD Solutions, Inc.
#116489From: Kenny A. ChaffinMay 25, 1995 5:14 AM
Ok, Jerry, _that_ makes sense. I think I understand now. I _really_ appreciate everyone's help. KAC