#Installing 3.1 ROMs
8 messages in this thread
Dick:
Here is a cut from another message in the forum which say a little more about
the ROM 3.1 problem.
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ROMS are dependent on machine type, kit for 500/2000 seperate kits for 3000 and
4000. No kit for 1200, perhaps you can use 4000 kit? ROM installation painless
on 2000 but confusing on 3000. My 3000 takes ROM 0 in socket marked ROM 1, the
socket numbers are correct tho. Software install was faultless, even WBStartup
and icon tool types were updated O.K. The kit comes with manuals for
Workbench,DOS and REXX. Pretty mutch the same as the 2.1 items, as is most of
the software in C: LIBS: ,but if it aint broke, why fix it.<<
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Problems….
Afraid so, well nothing ever is perfect is it? The 3000 is fine bar two
problems. At first the thing wouldnt boot at all, HD light came on and stayed
on, the floppy wouldnt boot either. Had to switch it on and off quickly (dodgy
practice) to get the ROM boot screen, then boot from floppy. Seems that having
sychronous SCSI set caused this problem.
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It seems the name of the sockets ROM 0 or ROM 1 are wrong but the socket
numbers are correct. You might want to check this. I am not sure what the
"sy[n]chronous SCSI set" means. Also check the rest of the message (message
#159807) for a longer discussion of 3.1.
I hope this helps a little, until I can try things myself.
Regards,
Norm
NH>It seems the name of the sockets ROM 0 or ROM 1 are wrong but the
socket numbers are correct. You might want to check this.
The old ROMs were in (what could be called) reverse order and that is the
way the instructions said to put in the new ROMs which I did. I read
somewhere else where putting them in in logical order (i.e., ROM 0 in U180
and ROM 1 in U181) didn't work at all; no ability to use the install or
anything until the reversal (illogical) of the ROMs.
NH>Seems that having sychronous SCSI set caused this problem.
Don't know what is meant here, either. But as I indicated, my A3K is
almost vanilla. I have a total of 10 Megs of RAM, otherwise, vanilla.
Norman, I didn't get anything diffinitive from anyone, so will have to
wait to see how you come out.
One thing I did forget was holding down both left and right mouse buttons
at bootup to get the machine to do a 'heads up' with a selection screen.
Don't know if that is a consideration with 3.1 as it was with the software
KS in 2.04.
Geesse, I wish someone would give me some good words here. Later.
Dick:
The story is I am up and running with no problems at all, well none with the
WB. The ROMs went into the sockets as stated in the instructions: the ROM0 in
the higher numbered socket (and named ROM1) and the ROM1 in the lower numbered
socket (with the name ROM0). After that I rebooted, the old workbench came up
and it seemed to run fine with the old workbench (2.04). However, after a
while it crashed. I then rebooted with the install disk in and loaded 3.1
according to the screen instructions; all pretty straightforward. The final
step was to click on the proceed button and the machine rebooted. It came up
fine. The install even modified my existing startup files so that the system
came up pretty much like it was before installing 3.1. However, the whole
reason for getting 3.1 was to run AMax IV, but AMax IV does not run. It comes
up with the correct screen, then the smiling Apple face and then it crashes
giving an Error 8000 0003. I guess I will have to see if ReadySoft can come up
with a solution.
In your case what happens if you powerup and hold both mouse buttons down, do
you go into the pre-boot screen? If this is the case, try booting from a
floppy. If it doesn't go to the pre-boot screen, it would appear that it is
more than the 3.1 software being installed as the machine does not go to any
drive if it is in pre-boot stage. Try it and see what you get. The pre-boot
screen has quite a number of options to work with. Maybe we can figure
something out after you try this.
Regards, and good luck,
Norm
NH>Maybe we can figure something out after you try this.
NH>Regards, and good luck,
Thanks, Norman. I'm glad your A3K boots. As you might imagine, I am
somewhat gunshy at this point.
Here is one msg I got:
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AFINKEL [andy]
Dick: 1) make sure reselection is off on all drives
2) 3.1 obeys the battmem bit indicating that a hard drive
supports sync transfers. Download one of the battmem
utilities (unless there's one in the 3.1 distribution)
and make sure that bit is OFF.
I bet the problem is the battmem sync bit.
andy
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One thing I need to ask: Do you have a prototype SCSI chip in your
machine? That is the same size chip as the 3.1 ROM chips just to the
inside of the ROM tower.
Mine is a prototype and there has been some activity on FidoNet about
getting new chips from Western Digital. The designator on the new chip
is:
WD33C93A-PL 00-08 {the old one (proto) ended in 04 and is marked
'PROTO' [appropo, eh?]}
Anyway, I shall try again when I get the balls to have a go.
Later.
Dick
my machine has PROTO chip and works fine. What kind of drive?
Matt Straney, 3 hours late, without your luggage
from Grand Ledge — on AutoPilot ——–>
Matt, the drive is the one that came stock with my A3000 when I bought it.
It is a Quantum ProDrive LPS 52 Megs.
Have you installed 3.1? Later.
Dick
Yes I have. What is this PCB thing you are talking about, my ROMs plug
into the mother board, why do you have it. or am I thinking of someone
else.
Matt Straney, 3 hours late, without your luggage
from Grand Ledge — on AutoPilot ——–>
Matt, the differences in yours and my machine could have all to do with
when they were manufactured. I bought mine in Oct '90. In my machine,
just above and slightly to the right side (toward the back of the machine)
of the mountings for the ROMs (as I imagine it is in your machine) is what
is called the ROM tower. That's where the PCB is located.
No clue as to why CBM did it that way. Heat maybe? Dunno.