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#Inkjet Printer Advice

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#112487From: Arthur EllisSep 2, 1993 8:38 PM
I'm shopping for an inkjet printer. Does anyone have any thoughts on the Canon BJ200 vs. the HP500? I'll use it mostly for word processing with Prowrite, and some limited graphics printing. Thanks!
#112607From: Andrew PorterSep 3, 1993 12:01 PM
Arthur, I have the HP500C which is very similar to the 500 but with colour. I considered the Canon BJ but I didn't like how the sheet feeder worked (also, I wanted colour). However, I think Canon supports the Amiga with their own driver wereas HP goes "Ogega??? is that IBM compatible?". There are various drivers available PD, however, for the 500. The BJ has higher resolution (360 vs 300), takes up less real estate, is a bit cheaper, and I don't think the ink is water soluable (the HP ink can smudge.) I think the Canon ink is also cheaper. Also, the BJ can be easily transported. The HP is nice, however, because it doesn't have any overhanging devices and it is very stable on the desktop (I believe the BJ has to stand vertically to print.) The 500 (or at least the 500C) offers either serial or parallel input and has an easy to load sheetfeeder built in. I had trouble with the first one (power connector) but my dealer replaced it without question and it currently works perfectly. The HP also has CompuGraphic fonts in ROM and can take font cartridges but neither is accessable by the Amiga. HP does NOT have toll free support, only for sales or general information. It prints quickly and quietly (about 3-4 ppm although I haven't timed it, slightly faster in draft.) If you have any other specific questions just ask. Andrew
#112646From: Peter JonesSep 3, 1993 2:55 PM
Andrew, The new inks available from HP don't smudge. They have a bright orange blob with the words "new ink'on the box. Wolf Faust has produced a very nice series of HP drivers in his STUDIO application. He also did the Canon drivers. I understand that he was supported by Canon to produce these drivers in the U.K. for the public domain, which shows Canon is a little bit more on the ball than HP. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#112702From: Wolf FaustSep 3, 1993 10:46 PM
I strongly recommend the BJ200 over the DJ500 or 510 because of the much higher print quality. The BJ200 print head and ink is much better than the HP stuff. Also, Canon Europe (and specialy Canon UK) supports the Amiga. The only reason I see for the DJ is it's printer emulation, wich is slightly better supported by 3th party vendors. But as Canon does hold a major ink jet market share, you can be sure to be well supported with Canon too. Those who are planning to buy a color ink jet printer should wait some weeks as several new color printers will show up in the next two months. — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#112980From: Paul ToalSep 6, 1993 5:09 AM
Wolf- Please tell me more about the new Canon color inkjets. Do they have CMY with it's own black? –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#113355From: Wolf FaustSep 9, 1993 3:40 AM
All current Canon printers have CMYK (ie. with real black). The color output is far superior to what you get with a DJ550C or DJ500C. No doubt about this and I never meet someone claiming the DJ to have better color output. With the new Canon BJC600 (just phoned Canon while writing this message to make sure I can tell you about that you thing) Canon also offers a cheap (similar price as the DJ550C) DIN A4/US-Letter printer. I used the BJC600 during the last weeks/months to write the Canon driver. So far my impression: The Canon BJC 600 will be priced simlar to the DJ550. The printer is superior to the DJ550C every aspect. The Canon BJC600 is a real CMYK printer. The printer looks very siimlar to the BJ200, but internals are totaly different. The printer head is replaceable and a huge ink cartridge comes for each print color. This makes color prints extremly cheap. The print head and ink is something totaly new and incredible good. You can even print color images on normal paper without the usual problem of bleed. The printer has a real 360 dpi resulution and the output is extremly sharp and crisp. For print speed, the printer is MUCH faster then the DJ550 because of the print head (a full sized print head for each color instead of 16 dots on the DJ). The printer has NO banding problems because of shinglind an that huge printer head. The printer allows you to print on various paper media. The paper media is controlable by software (Canon does provide Amiga drivers). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#113369From: Paul ToalSep 9, 1993 4:36 AM
Wolf- I knew there was a reason I liked you 🙂 I was going to buy a DJ550C on Saturday but have changed my mind. This is a pleasant suprise, thanks for all the info. I don't understand what paper media control via software is. Can you explain what this is? Is this for choosing a different paper tray/size. Thanks again for the big news. –Paul < Motorola Inside >
#113548From: Wolf FaustSep 10, 1993 4:51 AM
Well, you may have to wit some weeks until the BJC becomes available (don't know about shiping/release dates for the US). But if you do have some time, I would recommend to wait. Also, as said, the BJC600 won't be the only printer released in the next weeks (though, I do think it's the best I have seen in this price range). Both Canon BJC800 and BJC600 offer some kind of print mode similar to the Deskjets/Paintjets media/shingling/depletion control. On the BJC printers, the mode defines things like: – black/color saturation (50, 100 or 200%) – media thickness (BJC600 only) – speed (draft, letter, high quality) – banding: 1 pass, 2 pass, 4 pass and 8 pass (8 pass BJC 600 only) (banding is similar to the Deskjets "shingling"). On the BJC 800 there are 5 modes. On the BJC 600 you can actually define a mode by setting the parameters described above (ie. you get all the BJC800 modes and more). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#112713From: Andrew PorterSep 4, 1993 1:00 AM
Pete, I haven't seen the new inks although I had heard they didn't smudge. The ones that came with my 500C and replacements do, however. When were they released? I was encouraged by the apparent support that Canon provides but I needed colour so I didn't go for their printer. I don't know what driver I'm using for my HP printer. I had d/led several to see if there were any differences and I chose the one that had the least problems. As I recall there was only minimal documentation with it so I don't know who did it. Thanks for the info. Andrew
#112745From: Dominick J. FontanaSep 4, 1993 4:11 AM
Andrew, The new HP non-smearing ink has been available for about two years. I don't think they even sell the old ink in the U.S. anymore. Also, there is a commercial program called DJ Helper, which is the ultimate printer driver for the DeskJet series, and gives you access to different fonts. Finally, there is a major speed difference on my HP DeskJet 500 between Draft and LQ modes. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#113410From: Andrew PorterSep 9, 1993 12:32 PM
Hi Dom, Sorry for the delay, I was away for a while. I did a test of the ink I have an lo-and-behold you are right. It is smudgeless. I think what I was seeing before was the cheap paper that I printed on releasing ink filled particles. Perhaps the first cartridge I had was the old type, as well. Andrew
#113538From: Dominick J. FontanaSep 10, 1993 3:30 AM
Andrew, I just got ProText and I'm putting it through its paces. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#113592From: Andrew PorterSep 10, 1993 12:00 PM
Dom, Great! I eagerly await your conclusions. Don't be to kind! 8^) Andrew
#113760From: Dominick J. FontanaSep 11, 1993 8:45 PM
Andrew, I have version 5.53 of Protext, since version 6 won't be available for about a month. Arnor will send me the upgrade for free when it's available. Also, version 5.53 does include a Thesaurus. Version 6 will support AGA and have a macro editor, glossary, graphics import, ARexx support, and other features. It sounds real good. If Amiga World wants me to review it, then I'll just give some brief opinions here. If not, then I'll upload a full review here. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#113778From: Andrew PorterSep 12, 1993 12:56 AM
That's great, Dom. Either way, I'll look forward to it. So, after shipping, etc, how much did it cost you? What are your first impressions, if you don't mind sharing them? Andrew
#113605From: Robert BoltonSep 10, 1993 1:54 PM
Dom, PMFJI but what version of ProText have you received. According to an ad in the October edition of Amiga Shopper ( a UK mag ), version 6 has just been released. New features include support for scalable fonts, colour printing, Graphics import, Glossary, Macro editor and ARexx interface. If you have v5.5, you might want to check on Arnors upgrade offers. Bob Bolton
#113759From: Dominick J. FontanaSep 11, 1993 8:45 PM
Bob, Thanks for replying and feel free to jump in at any time. You're not really jumping in, you're just joining the thread. 😎 That's the whole point of a public message base anyway. The more, the merrier. 😎 Concerning Protext, I just ordered it directly from Arnor last week. They said version 6 won't be available for about a month. Rather than wait, they sent me version 5.53 and said they'll upgrade me to version 6 for free as soon as it's available. I'm looking forward to the upgrade. Thanks again. Dom Fontana –> Sent from NY via AP <–
#112754From: Peter JonesSep 4, 1993 4:38 AM
Andrew, If you bought your printer recently, then it looks like your dealer was moving old stock. The new inks have been available for well over a year, to my knowledge. I see that Wolf Faust, the author of Studio, has also replied to you. He is the guy to talk to about Canon and HP, as you can see by his reply. Pete Jones, flying on AutoPilot from Brussels, Belgium
#113423From: Andrew PorterSep 9, 1993 12:33 PM
Peter, I was mistaken, or perhaps the printer came with an old version of the ink because the current ink is waterproof. The printer came directly from the HP warehouse but perhaps they were moving old stock. Cheap paper will make it smudge a little bit if you rub it hard but that's the paper. Andrew
#113356From: Wolf FaustSep 9, 1993 3:40 AM
Andrew, Canon does built very good color printers. And with the new Canon BJC600, you get much better/cheaper/faster output than with a DJ550C! — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#113417From: Andrew PorterSep 9, 1993 12:33 PM
Wolf, I'm not aware of the BJC600. Unfortunately, when I bought the HP500c last spring it was the only near-laser quality colour printer that was available in my price range. Of course, I got it cheap because it was obsolete already. That's progress. Andrew
#113549From: Wolf FaustSep 10, 1993 4:51 AM
Yep, I know… bought a DJ500C last spring too… two weeks before the DJ550C became available (well, now that I do the Amiga drivers for HP, I hopefully don't make that mistake again…). — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#113593From: Andrew PorterSep 10, 1993 12:01 PM
Wolf, Don't ya hate it when new technology is introduced just after the ink dries on the cheque for your new purchase!? Does HP now support the Amiga or do you do the driver on your own. How much do you charge (if it's your own product) and, more importantly, would using your software improve the colour output on a 500C? I find that my current PD s/w produces a muddy mess on some pictures and unbalanced colour on others. Andrew
#112700From: T. Barry JarrettSep 3, 1993 9:59 PM
Arthur, Ditto what Andrew said about the HP500C… I've had one for about 4 months, purchased after the price dropped because of the HP550C release. LOVE IT! But it doesn't print too well with ProWrite, probably the PD driver I'm using… Graphics are good, if you can tone down the saturation… TruePrint24 works well with it, as does PPage4.1 with Compugraphic fonts. Changing ink cartridges is not such a major PITA as HP would have folks believe, and the composite black generated by a color cartridge is acceptable for most uses… I've seen the plain HP500s for about $350, maybe $375… – Barry Jarrett careening around CIS on my Amiga!
#113089From: Richard BeausangSep 7, 1993 2:18 AM
Barry, Regarding the poor print quality with ProWrite… it's not the driver, it's ProWrite. Unless you're outputing postscript, ProWrite's printed output leaves alot to be desired. You might try getting Post. You can save ProWite's output as a postscript file and run it through PostBand which comes with the Post distribution. Or, to avoid the hassle of setting up post, SoftWood is offering a competitive upgrade to FinalCopy. After four years of using ProWrite, I took advandage of the upgrade offer and have to say that although ProWrite's screen display is better, Final Copy's printer output blows it away. -Richard
#113506From: Andrew PorterSep 10, 1993 12:47 AM
Richard, PMJI, Can you tell us more about the FC competitive upgrade. Does one have to give up all rights to your current WP? Andrew
#112825From: Rob StantonSep 4, 1993 8:27 PM
Arthur, Thought I would add my 2 cents here. I own two HP inkjet printers and they are OK (I used to think they were great), but the department bought an Epson Sylus 800 which gives FAR superior output relative to the HP inkjets. Only drawback with the Epson is the ink is water soluble even after it dries. Also, for the same price (almost) as a HP inkjet you can get an Okidata laser printer ($365 vs. $425 retail) Epson is offering a $50 rebate on the 800 so it can be had for $280 retail. – Rob – P.S. I personally would go for the laser printer.
#113357From: Wolf FaustSep 9, 1993 3:40 AM
Epson Stylus better than a DJ510??? I doubt that…. — Wolf Faust, Am Dorfgarten 10, 6000 Frankfurt 50, Germany —
#113818From: Rob StantonSep 12, 1993 10:17 AM
Output is much better. I have a Deskjet original and just recently acquired a HPDJ 550C and the output is much better on the Epson Sylus 800 which is being used at my office. I am using the commericial program Super DJ for my Amiga Driver as well as the Pagestream Driver. Also, I took my Deskjet into my office and connected to the MS-DOS machine using a non-windows driver and the windows driver. No comparison. It is a mute point anyhow, because you can buy a laser printer (okidata) for the same price as you can these inkjets, which is what I would certainly do if I was looking at printers in the price range of a HP inkjet.