#NT drives
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>> I've been setting up a bunch of NT workstations <<
PMJI but since you have installed NT and I will be soon I thought I'd pump yer
brain a bit.
I understand that NT works faster/better on drives that are formatted w/ NTFS.
My question is: When you format a drive w/ NTFS and you have other ones in the
same box formatted w/ W95 or DOS, can NT see these older drives?
Plez feel free to set me right.
TIA.
– ej
>> My question is: When you format a drive w/ NTFS and you have other ones
>> in the same box formatted w/ W95 or DOS, can NT see these older drives?
Yes Ernie, NT can see DOS (FAT) formatted drives as well as the NTFS
drives. It just doesn't work the other way around. DOS does not see the
NTFS formated drive.
Ralph
This thread raises questions I've been accruing.
I know that SCSI drives work much better in multi-tasking situations, but if
one has a decent IDE drive he doesn't want to get rid of, does it hurt to have
the BOOT drive of the system be the IDE? Will you lose any perforance this
way, even if you're happy with the IDE's performance, non-multitasking not
considered?
Also – what format does 95 use? iss it a type of FAT, or NTFS? If the latter,
is it the same NTFS as NT uses?
I sometimes use OS/2 for a couple of things. If I want to partition my drives
for multi-boot, which would be the advisable software with which to segment the
original boot parition? I know OS/2 comes with such a utility, and I believe
NT does. I don't know about 95. Anyway, I want top wind up with a small boot
partition to allow me to launch NT, 95, DOS and OS/2. Any suggestions?
Thanx!
-jk
Jerome,
>> allow me to launch NT, 95, DOS, OS/2
You are probably asking these questions to the wrong guy. I have no need
(or time) for WIN 95 or OS/2. Please don't take that the wrong way, as I
know different people will use different operating systems for different
reasons. It takes all my energy and resources to try to keep up on DOS
and NT (not to mention 3DS, and preparing for MAX, and, and …) <g>
I would not worry too much about the IDE drive myself. I have an IDE boot
drive and a SCSI drive in one of my machines and I really don't notice a
difference.
Maybe someone else could help with the other questions?
Ralph
<< Maybe someone else could help with the other questions? >>
Actually, I was hoping others, as well as yourself, might read this as to get a
variety of opinions. You just happened to be the one giving answers about
something I was wondering about <g>
Thanx, though!
-jk
Jerome,
A nice solution that is now available now is Wizard of OS from Modular
Software Systems. It is a Boot Management program that will allow you to boot
to DOS, OS/2, Win95, WinNT, and UNIX on the same machine. It can handle up to
100 operating systems on a single machine. Along with multiple boot configs for
any of your OS's. It might be worth a look if you can part with $50. If you
want to reach them try 800-438-3930 or 206-631-5781.
-Matt (Active Media Graphics)
Y 50 /g fM/
<< Wizard of OS from Modular Software Systems. It is a Boot Management program
>>
Hey, that might be worth looking into, especially since I'll be moving to NT as
my prime OS, but needing to keep DOS around for a while, and wanting to play
around with OS/2 and 95 just for fun. Maybe even UNIX if I ever get my hands
on a copy.
Thanx for the tip!
-jk
>Anyway, I want top wind up with a small boot partition to allow me to launch
NT, 95, DOS and OS/2.<
Here is how I did it on a 1.2GB EIDE Western Digital HD. Use DOS fdisk to creat
a 200MB C: partition. Install MS-DOS on C:. Use OS/2 Boot Manager to create a
2MB boot partition at the end of the drive. Create D: and E: partitions in Boot
Manager and make E: installable. Install OS/2 on E:. Install NT on D:. When NT
installs it will disable Boot Mangaer, after installing NT run Disk
Administrator and set the Boot Manager partition to active.
An interesting method… Hmm.
I wonder, however – when you launch it that way, aren't you actually launchingn
into DOS first, and using DOS commands to launch another OS, as opposed to
having a completely non-biased OS launcher on its own small partition to send
you to whatever OS you want to go to? I heard the latter is a much more
preferred method.
-jk
>I wonder, however – when you launch it that way, aren't you actually
launchingn into DOS first, and using DOS commands to launch another OS, as
opposed to having a completely non-biased OS launcher on its own small
partition to send you to whatever OS you want to go to? I heard the latter is
a much more preferred method.<
The OS/2 Boot Manager comes up first. You can choose OS/2 or the NT Boot
Loader. If you pick the NT Boot Loader it allows to boot NT or DOS. There are
programs to do that, but why spend $50 when you can do it for free?
>> …NT can see DOS (FAT) formatted drives as well as the NTFS drives. <<
Thanks Ralph. Good to hear.
NT, here I come!
– ej
>> Thanks Ralph. Good to hear.
>> NT, here I come!
Your welcome… and good luck with NT. My install went fairly smooth, I
still have a few things to iron out but all is well.
Ralph
Ernie:
>> I thought I'd pump yer brain a bit. <<
Youch!
>> My question is: When you format a drive w/ NTFS and you have other ones in
the same box formatted w/ W95 or DOS, can NT see these older drives? <<
Ralph's got the answer. One thing I'm not certain about is long filenames.
With NTFS you can have long file names, what happens when you want to share the
files via floppy and their destination is a DOS machine? I wonder if the
filenames just get truncated like they do when they come from a MAC.
– Bob Ritger
>> long filenames.
I'll have to get used to that one, but I think habit makes me think in
8dot3.
Although I did create a directory the other day of "Maze project BU 8-22-95"
and it took! Looks strange in File Manager though <g>.
Ralph
R –
Greetings, Ralph! If you didn't see the V. documentary on HBO, I can send you a
copy. BTW, when did you make the jump to NT?
I just purchased NT (I think I got a good deal at $120), and I'm about to
install it. That is, until I discovered that it doesn't support my CD Rom
(which is one of those useless IDEs), and that Postscript fonts (via ATM)
cannot be accessed in Photoshop.
I'm a little concerned about hardware/software incompatabilities – so I picked
up one of the aftermarket books to hold my hand. Did you encounter any
difficulties? (My apologies if you've already been asked this).
Also, will NT take advantage of my dual Pentium?
TIA
Bob
Bob,
>> BTW, when did you make the jump to NT?
>> …encounter any difficulties?
I've had NT installed for about a month or two now. Still getting out the
kinks, I've been very busy lately and need more hours in the day <g>). Had
problems with my Artisoft Noderunner Network cards, found out they needed to
be put in NE2000 campatible mode and then the DOS config tweeked also. I
still am having problems with my Viper PCI… just doesn't want to run in
high res, even with new BIOS (and Diamond has been miserable!) About ready
to buy a new video card (need a 4 meg one anyway [?maybe Glint?]). Oh, the
joys of keeping on the edge.
Great price on NT, that's about 1/3 of what I paid. NT does support dual
Pentiums, although if you install NT on a single CPU and then add the second
CPU there are some things you'll have to do to get it recognized (so I've
heard)
I do have a copy (of a copy) of the HBO special "Making of Virtuosity". It
is decent quality that ChrisR dubed for me. If you are offering a straight
dub from TV, I would be interested. <g>
Take care,
Ralph
Ralph,
I've also got Artisoft cards. I did get NT to recognize them but that's about
it.
Were you able to get your NT machine to communicate to with other Win31
machines over the Lantastic network? Gus told me that it can't be done
practically. Microsoft claims never to have heard of Artisoft/Lantastic and
Artisoft appears incapable of directly answering the question on whether NT can
work over Lantastic.
Alec Jason
>> I've also got Artisoft cards. I did get NT to recognize them but that's about
>> it.
Alec,
Part of my problem was that NT did recognize the cards as NE2000. The real
problem was that they are not NE2000 compatible _unless_ you change them from
the default "Artisoft" mode to NE2000 mode in the NRSETUP configuration.
Then you will have to change the lowlevel drivers for DOS (dual boot) in
the startnet file from NR to NEX000. And don't forget that unlike NR, the
NEX000 driver needs memory address, IRQ, and 16-bit specified on the command
line!
If you have done this already plese disregard
>> Were you able to get your NT machine to communicate to with other Win31
>> machines over the Lantastic network? Gus told me that it can't be done
>> practically.
I hear it is possible to get the Win31 machines to see the NT drives but
not the other way around. Gus would know better than I, but I would like to
try to get this going.
>> Microsoft claims never to have heard of Artisoft/Lantastic and
>> Artisoft appears incapable of directly answering the question on whether NT
>> can work over Lantastic.
This is dis-heartening! I have had good luck over in the Artisoft forum,
so far. I am hoping to take up this very issue soon, although this is lower
on my list of priorities at the moment<g>
Ralph
Keep us posted if you find out anything, Ralph.
It's been a week since the computer stores have stocked win95 and for a month
have been announcing about prepay to avoid the "shortage after the 24th. I
don't know how many were on that prepay frenzy but I do know there is no
shortage. The stores have pallets of win95 and pallets of upgrade software
that are not selling. I went to comp USA and people are walking right past the
displays. Today I noticed the price has dropped from the 89.95 to $79.00.
Still this is not exciting the buyers. I asked one of the clerks and he said
they have trouble keeping the stock coming. Yeah right! How is the win 95
selling in the stores out there?
Don –
Here in Maine all the Staples stores have boxes of Win95 stacked up and falling
over. Before I buy it (or rather IF I buy it) I want to see it working and get
a hands on demo and no one has it set up on the store computers. Says something
doesn't it <G>
Anne
>> no one has it set up on the store computers. <<
Playing "Joe Consumer" I asked someone at Staples to show me Win95 and they
commented about a stupid Staples policy that they can only demo software that
is bundled with their computers. Fine, I guess, if you are only buying Works
and Windows 3.11.
If you want to see "real" software, visit the local hacker-turned-dealer -or-
the BIG computer stores like CompUSA. You'll probably get the best demo
possible, not to mention good technical support if you buy there. If you're
close to Nashua, NH, the Computersmith is a great Autodesk dealer.
– Dave
I have seen it work, played with it very minimally. In my opinion it is just
windows 3.11 repackaged with a few nice features added. Drag and drop and MS
network are two that I find interesting. The rest depends on your application
softwareand what it does. At the moment, I will try min95 just to have the op
sys on a platform here so I can stay up with the rest of the community. This
is probably why I am curious as to how well it's selling. If it's a bust I'll
just put my mind on WinNT and take a look at selling my Microsoft stock while
it's still close to a hundred a share. <BG>
>Here in Maine all the Staples stores have boxes of Win95 stacked up and
falling over. Before I buy it (or rather IF I buy it) I want to see it working
and get a hands on demo and no one has it set up on the store computers. Says
something doesn't it <G><
Yes it does. That most computer salesman at superstores don't know anything
about computers. Can't blame them when they make $5/hour.
>Here in Maine all the Staples stores have boxes of Win95 stacked up and
falling over. Before I buy it (or rather IF I buy it) I want to see it working
and get a hands on demo and no one has it set up on the store computers.<
I got it, on the first day even. I installed it, played around for about 20
minutes and rebooted NT. The multitasking isn't as good as NT, even just using
32bit apps. Under NT I can switch between apps instantly, even while using the
floppy drives, Win95 pauses for upwards of 10-15 seconds. This is on a
P100/32MB.
I am glad that W95 is shipping though, I'll be able to use most of those 32bit
apps.
>> How is the win 95 selling in the stores out there? <<
Plenty available, but it seems to be moving pretty well in Connecticut. The
hype seems to have gotten to people here. Being a "computer guy", I'm always
asked if I "got it yet". People can't understand why I have no interest…
– Dave
>> Keep us posted if you find out anything, Ralph.
Will do, Don.
>> How is the win 95 selling in the stores out there?
Don't really know. Sorry. I'm actually getting tired of people asking me
if I'm using it yet… Oh the HYPE!
Ralph
Don:
There was a big banner at Walmart stating 'Windows95 arrives on August 24' The
banner is now hanging half off and there are pallets of software boxes inside
the store.
– Bob Ritger
Hmmmmm???
I was at Walmart this afternoon and I too noticed the win95 all over the place.
Price is now $79. I wonder if Microsoft stock is going to match the win95
selling price. <G>
Ralph
Thx for the info.
I'll watch for the special again, and see if I can get you a straight dub. Want
it on s-vhs if I can manage it?
Regards,
bob
>> I'll watch for the special again, and see if I can get you a straight dub.
>> Want it on s-vhs if I can manage it?
Hey Bob, a straight S-VHS dub would be great if you could manage it. Of
course I would supply (or re-supply) you with the S-VHS tape.
Good luck on that NT install. By the way, where did you get your copy?
Ralph
Ralph –
I got it at the Computer Marketplace (I think it's called) that shows up every
four weeks at the Los Angeles fairgrounds in LA. It's a large event, with
perhaps 400 vendors.
My copy appears to be legit (I hope), and unopened.
bob
Ralph –
Just checked the TV schedule, and I don't the special scheduled for the coming
week – I'll check next week.
Bob
Ralph,
>>problems with my Artisoft Noderunner Network cards
I am having the same problems. Can you give me a quick run down of the steps
you had to take so I don't have to go digging through the manuals. <g>
Thanks,
Andrew
>> Can you give me a quick run down of the steps
>> you had to take so I don't have to go digging through the manuals. <g>
Andrew,
Did you catch my message to Alec (#188141)? This explains the noderunner to
NE2000 compatable switch. Let me know if you need more info or missed the
message.
Ralph
Ralph,
>>Did you catch my message to Alec (#188141)?
I caught it after I wrote to you.
Thanks. Hopefully I'll stop getting that error message on startup. <g>
Andrew
>> Thanks. Hopefully I'll stop getting that error message on startup. <g>
Andrew,
That messagge will certainly go away if you follow the aformentined NR to
NE2000 switch. By the way, you will probably NOT find NEX000.exe in your
Lantastic dir. I had to re-install Lantastic, with same configuration,
accept to tell the install that you are using Novell NE2000 compatable
cards instead of Artisoft Noderunners.
Good Luck,
Ralph
Ralph,
I went through the steps you mentioned and changed the setting, and I did have
to go and reinstall Lantastic. But, now everything works perfect. Thanks…<g>
Now I have to figure out the Remote Access Service so I can log on to the Web
through the C-serve Dialer. I have caught some threads about this over on the
NT forum. Hopefully it won't be that big of a problem.
Thanks for the help,
Andrew
>> But, now everything works perfect.
>> Thanks…<g>
Excellent Andrew, you are most welcome. I am glad you could benefit from
my stumblin around with the Noderunners. Isn't hardware fun?
Ralph
Bob:
>> That is, until I discovered that it doesn't support my CD Rom (which is
>> one of those useless IDEs
There is a list of supported "useless IDEs" in both the NT manuals and the
Resource Kit. Works great for my Mitsumi IDE at home. :^)
Also, the Resource Kit CD-COM includes the program to update NT from single to
dual processors without re-installing. Recommended reading (if you have the
desk space!)
Greg Pyros
Greg –
Good to hear from you, old buddy.
And where might I find a copy of this NT Resource kit (other than the obvious
"Call Microsoft" answer).
TIA
Bob
Bob:
>> And where might I find a copy of this NT Resource kit (other
>> than the obvious "Call Microsoft" answer).
I wouldn't have anyone call Microsoft these days, after hearing about 60 minute
waits on hold with all their Windows 95 installation questions! The local
radio station said today that they sold 1 million copies in 4 days!
I'm sure the major stores are all carrying it, runs about $150 list for 4
books, disks, a CD, etc. Try Computer City or Fry's in Fountain Valley.
Greg Pyros
Greg –
Duh! I've seen the four volume set in stores – I don't know what I was
thinking. Sounds like it is worth plunking down the nickel [?] – is it current
enough with 3.51 to be useful?
Thx
Bob
Bob:
>> Duh! I've seen the four volume set in stores – I don't know what
>> I was thinking.
:^)
>> is it current enough with 3.51 to be useful?
I think so – the main thing is what are you doing, and how much info do you
want? Before we even loaded NT, we got the Resource Kit, many other books, and
I even took a class on NT Server. But then, I'm a knowledge freak!
Greg Pyros
<< >> is it current enough with 3.51 to be useful?
I think so >>
Just don't get burned buying the older set that's for NT 3.1 like someone here
did by mistake…
Robert,
I don't know much about NT but I've installed it and got it running. I also
have an "unlisted" IDE CD-rom but I found that NT went ahead and found it
anyway and it works fine.
You might try installing NT and see what happens.
Alec Jason