CompuServe Thread

#H.S. Modem Recomendation

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#181103From: Michael SheaJan 7, 1995 10:29 PM
Well, I have have the green light from GOD (my wife) to get a high speed modem (I am doing 2400 baud at this time). I would like recommendations. I was thinking of getting a Supra 28.8K baud Fax modem. I went out tonight to get one but could not find it in the few stores I was able to hit before 9:00 PM. I did find a US Robotics Sportster. The Sportster is 28.8 data but only 14.4 fax. Is this true for the Supra also? It also says it is V.34 compliant, but I had heard that the Supra's used something called V.Fast. Is this the same standard? I remember USR used to have there own "standard" and I was reluctant to buy their model without first getting some advice. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181105From: Karl F. KugelJan 7, 1995 10:58 PM
Well, there are basically three different standards. V.34 is the official one. There were two other standards released by modem makers prior to the final standard- V.terbo (or something like that- it was a funny spelling) from AT&T, and V.fast which was released by Rockwell. V.34 is faster than the other two. Most new modems, including USR's, can do all three, but it's something you want to check. The Sportster is supposed to be true V.34, as far as I know anyway. -Karl
#181109From: Dale LarsonJan 7, 1995 11:37 PM
Both supra and sportster are available with and without v.34. Get v.34. It is the current standard, is better, costs only a few extra dollars.
#181118From: Michael SheaJan 8, 1995 1:21 AM
Dale, Are the V.34 models of Supra and USR compatable with V.Fast and V.Turbo, or do I need to carefully check this. I know the box for the V.34 Sportster says nothing of this. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181135From: Dale LarsonJan 8, 1995 6:45 AM
Yes, to the extent that the non-V.34 models are.
#181203From: Michael SheaJan 8, 1995 4:30 PM
What is V.FC? The sportster supports that and V.34. I have been all over Tucson today trying to find an external Supra with no sucess. A few more stores are open tomorrow. Also, I say a Hayes external V.FC only costing $358. Why so expensive? ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181327From: Dale LarsonJan 9, 1995 8:36 PM
V.FC is the pre V.34 V.34. It is useless except to talk to "older" modems. I don't know why hayes overcharges. Actually, several manufacturers offer a "consumer" and a "professional" model. The more expensive model holds up better, often has more bells and whistles, better warranty, etc. I know Hayes offers two main lines of modems…
#181382From: Michael SheaJan 10, 1995 2:27 AM
Well, I just picked up the USR Sportster. I have not found someone to hook up at 28.8 yet, but 14.4 sure is a nice step up from 2.4. I wonder when Compuserve will start installing 28.8 modems? ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181393From: Dale LarsonJan 10, 1995 5:45 AM
a year or two after everyone else does. 🙂
#181421From: Steve AhlstromJan 10, 1995 11:59 AM
It's a shame you don't know what you're talking about. -sja
#181423From: Dale LarsonJan 10, 1995 12:10 PM
Please note the smiley face. Actually, from CIS's agressive moves toward being an ISP and the like, plus their cost reductions and other things which indicate that they understand the new markets, I wouldn't be too suprised to see them move toward 28.8 more quickly than many others.
#181591From: Brian BartlettJan 11, 1995 6:38 PM
When CIS gives Riverside, Ca., a 14.4K node, I know they are being agressive. It showed up last week, to my great suprise, and I didn't have to do a thing to access it, even more amazing. Methinks MicroSoft et al. has put a scare in them. About time. The first lesson of economics is scarcity. The first lesson of politics is to disregard the first lesson of economics.
#181485From: Rick GreenJan 10, 1995 10:00 PM
My local Compuserve host just upgraded to 9600b a less than a year ago! 🙁 — Dogs crawl under Gates, Software crawls under Windoze — Rick Green via AutoPilot 1.74
#181507From: Michael SheaJan 10, 1995 11:54 PM
I am able to connect locally to CIS at 14400, but not with MNP compression. I don't know yet if I am doing something wrong, or if the node does not support it. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181552From: Steve AhlstromJan 11, 1995 1:15 PM
MNP is irrelevant at 14.4k … you should be getting v.42bis -sja
#181623From: Rick GreenJan 11, 1995 9:57 PM
My problem is that my local node doesn't support it. I hope they do soon. — Dogs crawl under Gates, Software crawls under Windoze — Rick Green via AutoPilot 1.74
#181760From: Trent HawkinsJan 12, 1995 9:13 PM
Michael, You should not need MNP anymore. All MNP does is try to compress data coming across the system to allow for shorter time online. As the data downloaded off CIS (or any other bulletin board) is already compressed, it's a waste of effort (and decreases the bytes/second as well). Trent 'Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori'
#181403From: John GagerJan 10, 1995 8:54 AM
"What is V.FC? The sportster supports that and V.34." As I understand V.FC, it was a stop-gap method of bringing the speed of modems up to 28.8 and has many similarities to V.34, but is not the full implementation. Even though V.34 is now the standard, they still have to maintain backward compatability for the V.FC protocol. "Also, I say a Hayes external V.FC only costing $358. Why so expensive?" Because of the name, Hayes. // John (Warp 4040 & Emplant Quadra 840) \X/ Mercury@ins.infonet.net
#181128From: Gary Vander MeiJan 8, 1995 3:41 AM
Micheal, IMHO, the USR COURIER V.EVERYTHING is the only product I would consider from USR at this time. Any V.34, that doesn't support V.FAST, might leave you dissappointed. The Supra 28.8, when their done with it, will support both. Gosh, if your coming from 2400, even 14.4 will be a huge jump for you… // Gary Vander Mei on Auto-Pilot \X/
#181185From: Christopher TolmieJan 8, 1995 3:22 PM
Gary, Any thoughts on a particular model that offers voice, besides data & fax? I've been considering another 14.4 or maybe even the 28.8 but I'd like to be able to continue having the voice option so I can use AVM. I'm not sure whether to try the ZOOM, ZyXel or what else? The LineLink 144e I've been using seems to have problems at the high speeds if the line is at all noisy. It can handle the voice but it hasn't the quality like the 9600 Hayes Ultra I was using before. Christopher
#181255From: Jim SakladJan 9, 1995 12:06 AM
Michael – > I was thinking of getting a Supra 28.8K baud Fax modem. My recommmendation would be Practical Peripherals PC288MT. I had first the 1200 bps Commodore Amiga modem, then moved up to the 2400 bps Supra (before it had data compression, error correction, or fax). Then I started reading PPI's support forum here on CIS (GO PPIForum), and decided to get their 9600, now upgraded to 14400/9600fax. I was extremely impressed by the level of support I found there. Besides the support forum on CIS, PPI also provides free EPROM upgrades when any problems are discovered and fixed, and have a limited LIFETIME warranty. (When the puppy chewed my power cord, killing the transformer, they sent me a new one free.) > The Sportster is 28.8 data but only 14.4 fax. Is this true for the Supra There is no standard for fax over normal telephone lines that is faster than 14400 bps. > It also says it is V.34 compliant, but I had heard that the Supra's used > something called V.Fast. V.34 was called V.fast before the ITU-T (formerly the CCITT) ratified V.34 as an official standard. Modems developed and marketed to the "best guess as to what V.fast will be", before ratification of the standard, are said to be "V.FC" (for "fast class"). jsaklad@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu . . JimDoc, on AutoPilot
#181291From: Steve AhlstromJan 9, 1995 2:41 PM
Jim, I couldn't agree with you more. While I was an early supporter of Supra modems (I've had 4 of them – 3 external 2400s and 1 internal 2400) I found that as they went to 9600 and above the reliability became a problem. I now use PPI modems … currently have a PM9600SA and a PM14400FXSA. They've been extremely reliable for me. -sja
#181609From: Jim SakladJan 11, 1995 8:39 PM
Steve – I knew some of our sysops were happy PPI customers; I sort of hoped I could trigger testimonials like yours! <bg> jsaklad@welchlink.welch.jhu.edu . . JimDoc, on AutoPilot
#181430From: Supra CorpJan 10, 1995 1:32 PM
Hi.. A couple of things.. On the Supra 288- the V34 version of this modem is now shipping, it supports V34, VFC (Rockwell's early implimentation of the 288 protocal), V32bis, V32, and V22.. It does not support V32Terbo (the 19.2 protocal). I am biased but I like it. I have on my desk and have been testing with the Supra (of course), a MultiModem ZDX (AT&T chipset, supports V34 but not VFC), the PPI PM288MT II (supports the same as Supra's–based on the same datapump with a different processor), a ZyXel U-1496E (a Terbo modem supporting 19.2 Ter but not VFC or V34), USR's Sportster and Courier (older and newer rom codes-older roms had various bugs with V42bis (among other things)), oh yea, and a AT&T protype V34 (doesn't support VFC), and the Rockwell protype with their base rom code. The Courier supports everything (like the ads say), but then it costs more (quite a bit more). I am not sure if the Sportster supports Terbo or not, I have never had the need to test whether it did or not. Their rom code is getting more stable (I had real problems with some connections with their earlier code). The PPI (like the Supra based on the Rockwell 288DPI datapump) reminds me a bit of our LC (because of the type of display). The reason it has taken this long for our product to reach the market is that we wanted to be sure that we had overcome all the various compatibility/connectability problems before we shipped (maybe we learned something from the V32bis release, but then I wasn't here then, so I can't say). The combination of the price, our design (metal case, alpha-numeric display), and features (we have reworked both Silent Answer and adaptive answer to perform more reliably than any of our modems in the past–yes we will be porting the new code back to earlier modems) of the the new SupraFax 288 V34, I honestly think it is a good buy. You should be seeing various reviews of V34 modems starting in March and I am confident that our modem will perform quite well. I didn't really mean to make this a sales pitch but there seemed to be some confusion about the different modems. I use my Supra V34 to access my internet server from home and connect V34 288 regularly (local call). I do not mean to say that you will get 288 connects everytime you call out because I doubt you will. I don't trust the phone companies enough to say that, but I do connect at speeds higher than 21600 calling all over the world (I do get some connects lower than that but what can you do?). With our new modem I am also able to fax to Germany and France at 14.4 much more reliably than I have in the past with any modem. Later all, Alex Johnson Product Testing Supervisor Supra Corp.
#181470From: Michael SheaJan 10, 1995 7:39 PM
Alex, Well, I really wanted to get the Supra. I looked all over Tucson and in some major stores in Pheonix and everyone was out. I settled on the new full V.34 version of the Sportster. I am pleased so far, but so far I have not tried to connect to anyone with 28.8. BTW, the Sportster does no support V.terbo. It does support V.34, V.FC, V.32bis, V.32, V.22bis, Bell212A/V.22, V.23, V.25 and Bell 103/V.21. It supports what I believe is all the data compression schemes out there, V.42/MNP 2-4 and V.42bis/MNP 5. On the fax side V.17, V.29 and V.27ter. ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181576From: Supra CorpJan 11, 1995 5:14 PM
>> BTW, the Sportster does no support V.terbo << yea..I tried that after I send the message.. >> It does support V.34, V.FC, V.32bis, V.32, V.22bis, Bell212A/V.22, V.23, V.25 and Bell 103/V.21 << I forgot to mention the bell stuff.. >> It supports what I believe is all the data compression schemes out there, V.42/MNP 2-4 and V.42bis/MNP 5. On the fax side V.17, V.29 and V.27ter. << no MNP 10 error correction. Alex J. Pounding the airwaves..
#181621From: Michael SheaJan 11, 1995 9:51 PM
Alex, No MNP 10. I have not heard of this yet, what is it? ._ _ _ INTERNET: mshea@math.arizona.edu | | |ichael _>hea COMPUSERVE: 76665,3360
#181868From: daniel stripesJan 14, 1995 12:13 AM
MNP 10 is used for cellular connections. //daniel on \X/ AutoPilot 1.75
#181603From: Ron MoncreiffJan 11, 1995 8:08 PM
May I ask? I have an early SupraFax 288 modem with v.fast. Is there a way I can upgrade to v.34? Ron
#181684From: Tom JonesJan 12, 1995 8:48 AM
Ron >I have an early SupraFax 288 modem with v.fast. Is there a way I can >upgrade to v.34? Yes, you can. I just ordered a Supra V.34 and have followed the fidonet SupraFax echo on what they are up to. They are getting ready to start taking V.FC modems in for upgrade to V.34 as soon as the shipments of V.34 modems are caught up in a week or two. It sounded like it would cost in the neighborhood of $50 and you have to send the modem to them. Tom alternate: jonest@hfsi.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers
#181776From: Karl F. KugelJan 12, 1995 10:44 PM
Tom, if you don't mind, where did you get it, and how much was it? -Karl
#181794From: Tom JonesJan 13, 1995 12:41 AM
Hi Karl > Tom, if you don't mind, where did you get it, and how much was it? If you mean the Supra V.34, I ordered it direct from Supra on one of those Sysop deals via the internet. Their numbers are sales@supra.com Service 800-727-8772 or (206) 905-1410 Fax (206) 905-1401 The suggested retail for the external model is $229 Tom alternate: jonest@hfsi.com I never met a man I didn't like…Will Rogers